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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Mo1

I also don’t/didn’t frequent cp or lp; never heard of them before I joined FR. I never visited one of them, and the other only once, so no, I never saw the comments they made about you, either.


16,201 posted on 04/30/2007 10:56:58 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Pravious

“But, if the election is between Rudy and Hillary - WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR?
A third party candidate? I consider that a wasted vote, and another vote that helps put Her HIghness in office... can we at least agree that that’s the WORST CASE SCENARIO?”

I know this wasn’t posted at me but I’m going to take the liberty of answering it anyway.

If all I’m given is the choice between horse poop and cow poop to eat.

I’ll starve.

I’ll be there on election day voting for conservative candidates. Both in the Primaries and in the general. Not for some limp wristed dimlight maggot that the Republican Party feels I should support.

If they Repubican Party gets it’s ass handed to it again in the 2008 general election they only have themselves to blame.

I will no longer compromise.


16,202 posted on 04/30/2007 10:58:23 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: mkjessup
This whole 'you must vote for Rudy to keep Hillary out of the White House' is nothing but a more genteel translation of "Ja WOHL! You MUST vote for Chancellor Hitler, he is the ONLY one who can SAVE Germany!"

Well spoken, sir!

Maybe we can get Brunhide Chthullo and JulieAnnie to swap wardrobes during the election season. If I wanted to see "gender illusionists", I would move back to Than Franthithco

16,203 posted on 04/30/2007 10:59:07 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: rbmillerjr
The whole “a bully is a bully” idea is incorrect.

No it isn't but it's an ugly thing to face for the one doing the bullying.

You could probably count on both hands the times I was on rudy threads. I knew this is a conservative site and it was only a matter of time before tshtf concerning the rudybots. No matter how many times they were shown just how liberal rudy was they denied it and spun it. Good riddance to them.

16,204 posted on 04/30/2007 11:01:05 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

That’s what the Rudybots just don’t get. Given the choice between Hillary and Hillary (Rudy), I’ll pick hunting that day. I have better things to do with my time on a Fall day than waste it voting for a flaming liberal.


16,205 posted on 04/30/2007 11:02:56 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: processing please hold

“No matter how many times they were shown just how liberal rudy was they denied it and spun it. Good riddance to them.”

Well, we agree on that at least.


16,206 posted on 04/30/2007 11:04:17 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Redcloak

Amen brother


16,207 posted on 04/30/2007 11:05:42 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: Sam Cree
I’d figured it for just “con” up until this week, though I’d certainly noted early on that libertarian thought is met with scorn by many freepers.

All of the libertarian freepers that I am aware of are still posting here and are all against Rudy.

16,208 posted on 04/30/2007 11:05:44 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: mutley
To get rid of rudy supporting liberals who agreed with his set of values. To be free of their bullying anyone who doesn't toe their line.

They had no place here supporting abortion, gun control, gay marriage and all the other garbage he believes in.

16,209 posted on 04/30/2007 11:08:20 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.

Patrick Henry.


16,210 posted on 04/30/2007 11:12:02 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: processing please hold
To get rid of rudy supporting liberals who agreed with his set of values. To be free of their bullying anyone who doesn't toe their line.

Thank you, that solidifies my point. Then why is it that you are repeatedly being beat about the head in this thread, when those beating you agree with all those things? Ask yourself.
16,211 posted on 04/30/2007 11:16:02 AM PDT by mutley
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
"It was pride that changed angels into devils; it is humility that makes men as angels." - Augustine
16,212 posted on 04/30/2007 11:17:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
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To: mutley
We're back to where I started.

I called them bullies.

16,213 posted on 04/30/2007 11:18:06 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: EternalVigilance

amen.


16,214 posted on 04/30/2007 11:18:32 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: processing please hold

I’m lost now as well. Sorry for trying to interject some sense into you. Resume your pointless taunting of the zapper.


16,215 posted on 04/30/2007 11:21:52 AM PDT by mutley
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To: mutley
Resume your pointless taunting of the zapper.

Riiiight.

I don't care for threats or intimidation or bullies. I thought I made that perfectly clear.

16,216 posted on 04/30/2007 11:25:19 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: mutley; processing please hold
I’m lost now as well.

Well, then, let me help, if I might. What pph has a problem with is the bullying - not the reason for the bullying. And it seems clear enough that she thinks one set of bullies have merely been replaced by another. But, although she is more in tune with the ideology of the bullies du jour, she still has a problem with bullies anyhow.

16,217 posted on 04/30/2007 11:27:13 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Pravious
But, if the election is between Rudy and Hillary - WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR? A third party candidate? I consider that a wasted vote, and another vote that helps put Her HIghness in office... can we at least agree that that’s the WORST CASE SCENARIO?

Yes. Send your suggestion to the RNC and tell them, no RATpublicans. Things will work out just fine should they heed that advice. Blackbird.

16,218 posted on 04/30/2007 11:36:53 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: AntiGuv
Exactly. Clear and succinct. Thank you.
16,219 posted on 04/30/2007 11:37:33 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Miss Marple
You are trying to intimidate me by posting sign-up information from wideawakes. Too bad for you, as I am not intimidated by such juvenile stuff.

Please don't be put off by the attacks. For heaven's sake, please don't leave.

16,220 posted on 04/30/2007 11:40:28 AM PDT by Petronski (Fred.)
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