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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: Jedidah
There is a time and a place for everything, and arming college students is just a nutty idea.

Dumba$$....32 dead kids and alot of friends and family beg to differ from you tonight.

3,521 posted on 04/16/2007 6:51:01 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: Robert Lomax

Nice hijack try.

No hint whatsoever that this has anything to do with illegal immigration.

Go play on another thread.


3,522 posted on 04/16/2007 6:51:02 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: redgolum

Yea, he would never use a 9mm


3,523 posted on 04/16/2007 6:51:19 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: A Navy Vet

“The deterent? Arm all good citizens.”

I agree! The problem with just arming certain people (ie teachers, professors) and letting it be known is that the killers/terrorists will kill those people first. If everyone has the right to carry, then the killers just don’t know who might be armed.


3,524 posted on 04/16/2007 6:51:26 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: bray

it could be that the massacre was well planned, but the initial shooting was some “personal business” he wanted to take care of first.


3,525 posted on 04/16/2007 6:51:50 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: floriduh voter

I’ll wager Obama meant, “there will be many more senseless tragedies until we rid this land of the scourge of private gun ownership”.


3,526 posted on 04/16/2007 6:52:06 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: markedmannerf

The timeline per Drudge does not fit with that guy


3,527 posted on 04/16/2007 6:52:51 PM PDT by cmsgop ( "cmsgop" a Mark Goodson / Bill Todman Production)
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To: markedmannerf

You may be right.

I think that some students have already made the connection.

http://www.xanga.com/wanusmaximus/583420851/item.html


3,528 posted on 04/16/2007 6:52:54 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (As for me, I will remain neutral...for the time being.)
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To: Miss Marple

Geraldo just said the Blacksberg police were told the suspect in the dorm shooting was white guy, greasy hair, black pickup truck, farm license - so that’s what they were looking for after the first shooting. Obviously this sounds different from the Asian shooter - but Mark Fuhrman pointed out this info is probably from eyewitnesses - and it may or may not be accurate. Says wait til it all “shakes out.”


3,529 posted on 04/16/2007 6:53:04 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: redgolum

Yeah, those can be picked up pretty cheap. Or maybe livejournal guy is just posing with an FFL holders stock of for sale items.


3,530 posted on 04/16/2007 6:53:12 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: DCBryan1

I’ll ignore your insult and blame it on your limited vocabulary.

There would be more than 32 dead tonight if your nutty idea were enacted.


3,531 posted on 04/16/2007 6:53:28 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: glock rocks

I didn’t mean any disrepect to those involved so thanks for saying that or reading that in my post.

I don’t know anything about the Refuse to be a Victim course. I just have this extreme reaction to the whole victim mentality we seem to encourage in our society: like it’s a good thing to be a victim, or somehow noble, or something we should honor. As I was typing the post in question, I kept thinking about why we don’t fight back more, why we go along with/ follow/teach what experts say about not fighting back. I think if we fought back more, we’d see less of the criminals succeeding. It’s just my opinion and I don’t fault anyone for thinking differently. I’ve been a “victim” of an attempted assault and I fought back, refusing to be a “victim” and I thank heavens for my right to fight back, for being raised by parents who taught me to fight back. I’ve read so many wonderful posts on here and I tend to agree with many who take their own defense as a personal issue, not relying on anyone else to intervene on their behalf, or relying on the government to protect them. The government can’t do it all, we have to do some of it ourselves.


3,532 posted on 04/16/2007 6:53:33 PM PDT by Twink
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To: redgolum

If this was terrorist, was this like the first tower when we just thought it was an accident. We cannot afford to do that again. I am hoping colleges are instituting stronger security measures just in case.

Pray for W and Va Tech


3,533 posted on 04/16/2007 6:54:07 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: DBrow
Ever been on a military base?

A military base vs. a college campus? Really?

3,534 posted on 04/16/2007 6:54:47 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: markedmannerf

He has an LJ posting history going back before 2004- but the preliminary info suggests the shooter got here less than a year ago.

I don’t think this is the guy, but what a collection of identical rifles with bayonettes!

Moisin-Nagants all, I think.

A wannabe drill instructor?


3,535 posted on 04/16/2007 6:55:07 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Definitely not the hall shooter, as LE has the body.


3,536 posted on 04/16/2007 6:55:08 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: AppyPappy

AP, I’ve been worried about you. Sorry that the news is growing worse by the hour. Thanking God that you are okay. May the Lord somehow bring a measure of comfort to those affected by this heinous act.


3,537 posted on 04/16/2007 6:56:23 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: oceanview

Or the witnesses heard so many fights between her and her boyfriend they assumed it was him when it was just a random killing. My bet is she was just a diversion to keep the police busy.

Pray for W and Va Tech


3,538 posted on 04/16/2007 6:56:32 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: oceanview
You mean, mine about the janitor?

I was just trying to suggest other possibilities behind the non-proven assumption/assertion that the shooter "chained" the doors.

We have few to little facts.

Facts are precious to me. Hysteria and hysterical speculation sans the facts makes my skin crawl, especially in such a horrific situation as this.

I can put myself into the shoes of a parent, spouse, offspring, friend - grappling not only with grief; but "why" their loved one was murdered (or injured), and who did it for what reasons. Their suffering is intensified and sent to places where there is no proven, substantive reason to go; this is disrespectful.

Lastly, it just sets these grieving, or injured, people up for the presses to devour based on dubious speculations!

I'll grieve with these people. Give the press no opportunity to ask "fenangling questions" of those grieving and/or worried. I'll give the press little to no ounce of support for herding students and citizens into turning grief and intense pain -- into an anger "political" movement at: the university, the police, etc.

I want to give those involved directly with and/or affected by this situation in Virginia, respect.

Am now assuredly awaiting the liberal phenomena of sending massive quantities of "grief therapists" to the campus. The pressies will help redirect that "grief" into anger at the police and universities.

This is disgusting as well as shameful.

Some quiet patience and a national show of respect for those involved with this situation would go a long ways towards cutting into the liberal agenda of supporting gun bans or demanding more taxpayer dollars for a prison-scale "modeling" of every college campus in the U.S.

These folks being horrifically affected are my neighbors. There isn't a thing I wouldn't do to help them. And that begins with showing some respect, and giving the grieving - time, privacy, and a quiet "national" space in which to cope with losses, before the MSM/Politically-Agenda'd harpies land upon these folks, feasting upon their pain and using their suffering for their own purposes.

3,539 posted on 04/16/2007 6:56:53 PM PDT by Alia
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To: U S Army EOD

i don’t think everyone on a college campus would be able to get a concealed carry permit no matter how liberal the law is; however, if you’re a potential “lone gunman” and you know that 1 in 50 kids in your school are ellgible for concealed carry (whether they do or not) it SHOULD provide some hesitation. then agian, these people are batty to begin with so you gotta figure the way it would help is if one of those 1 in 50 were in the first building and took him out before he could hit the 30 other people.

P.S. are they still not sure whether it was one or 2 gunman????


3,540 posted on 04/16/2007 6:57:13 PM PDT by gotmatt
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