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Again, I think we have to wait for it's commercialization (to see if it lives up to the hype), but I hoping this does workout. MDI has some sort of deal with Tata, India's biggest car producer. Tata plans to redesign the outside of the car, but to use the air design. They believe the car will be around 10-15k in India.

So IF viable it would a lot more finacially reasonable than electric. One must remember the markets in India and China will be looking for alternative much more than us...due to the differences in financial stature ie we can afford a petro life, while it's a roadblock for their economy.

The below video is fairly interesting.

Video Air Car

The videos about MDI's design, plus an air engine with what seems to have a higher efficiency.

The interesting claim about the fuel efficiency (for MDI's design) is that they think a hybrid car w/ one tank of gas....could get from Los Angeles to New York. Quite a claim, but if true...well, that could be quite an alternative. I figure they'll have to play-up to India first, as we seem to adore our big cars.

1 posted on 03/30/2007 7:17:50 PM PDT by Rick_Michael
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If it could operate with compressed flatulence, the this could be a Fromula 1 car in the hands of Algore.


2 posted on 03/30/2007 7:20:47 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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You gotta be kidding me.
4 posted on 03/30/2007 7:25:01 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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Big deal. My car uses air in its engine. I even filter it.


6 posted on 03/30/2007 7:25:38 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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As great as this appears to be, the energy to compress the air will come from where, exactly? If it comes from the electric utility, it mostly will come from burning additional coal.

Air powered = coal powered.


11 posted on 03/30/2007 7:32:48 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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The energy, no matter what its final form (air pressure) has to come from somewhere. And in the end, that source of origin is fossil fuel (except for solar cells.) This is just replacing a battery with an air tank.


13 posted on 03/30/2007 7:36:45 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?)
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15 posted on 03/30/2007 7:39:19 PM PDT by DocRock (What would Solomon Do?)
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I don't know. For $2 a tank, I would consider it. Watch the video - 2000 miles with a small amount of gas for a compressor, on a single tank.

Sure would help our depends on the Middle East.


16 posted on 03/30/2007 7:39:41 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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I once foolishly brought up the subject of air powered cars on an alternative energy thread. Man, I was excoriated as a greenie dimwit.

I still think air powered along with other alternative fuels will make up the mosaic of fuels that will be offered at refueling stations across America.

Or, people may fall in love with refueling air tanks or electric vehicles at home and in the future choose that of car.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing at all.

17 posted on 03/30/2007 7:39:54 PM PDT by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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If this takes off, I wonder what state governments will do for tax revenue? You can compress at home and never visit a gas station again - at least for driving around town.


27 posted on 03/30/2007 7:48:50 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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Interesting. Especially the rotary motor.


39 posted on 03/30/2007 8:01:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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stop posting stuff from the Onion....Wait, you're serious!


54 posted on 03/30/2007 8:14:38 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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I am skeptical of the claims. I don't see how sufficient
energy can be safely stored in a reasonably sized compressed air tank to propel any vehicle for 8 hours. It is inconceivable that sufficient energy could be transfered
in only two minutes from a gas station compressed air hose.


55 posted on 03/30/2007 8:16:31 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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I don't mind being the fist to say it:

I've always hoped I could find a nice pair of a "Tatas" in my garage...

58 posted on 03/30/2007 8:19:20 PM PDT by RavenATB
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Bet it is really cute with the Weebles in it.

It would actually be dandy for me...

As long as one of my labs doesn't carry it off to chew on it.


70 posted on 03/30/2007 8:39:52 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Heus, hic nos omnes in agmine sunt! Deo volente rivoque non adsurgente)
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The new French car ... "Le Fart" car! With attachments for your nail gun and die grinder!

And for those who own the Toyota Prius (and other electric P.T. Barnum machines)... I hope your happy about destroying Subdury Ontario with your nickel batteries.

http://omidr.typepad.com/torque/2007/03/toyotas_prius_i.html


71 posted on 03/30/2007 8:40:39 PM PDT by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDeuce = John Browning's gift to freedom))
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A car with an air-compressed engine will be able to drive around 124 miles or eight hours for just under $2.

I wonder how many miles one could get from using compressed natural gas with the effluent feeding an internal combustion engine.

86 posted on 03/30/2007 9:18:36 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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Let's see.

The energy to compress the air will come from some sort of power plant. The Carnot equation limits a coal, nuclear, or natural gas power plant to around 33% efficiency. The remaining 66% of the energy that the power plant uses has to be dumped into the air or water as waste heat.

There are additional system losses as the electrical power is sent through the power grid to the filling station. The electric motors that drive the compressors can't be 100 percent efficient. Also, when you compress air it heats up. If the air is allowed to cool down then a lot of energy is lost right there. Some will be reclaimed if you warm the engine with ambient air while the engine runs but you'll only get back a a small portion of the energy that was dumped as heat during compression of the air.

All told the losses will likely give you an end to end energy efficiency substantially lower than the 24 percent of a typical car engine . With a high compression narrow rpm optimized engine you can have 33 to 36 percent.

Compressed air CAN'T be more energy efficient overall than burning liquid fuel in an internal combustion engine. If the $2/fillup cost figure is accurate then they are based on using a source of energy that costs much less per therm than gasoline. Maybe taxes are a big part of the cost difference they claim. The affected governments will quickly correct that problem is they start losing revenue.

As a energy storage medium for a hybrid compressed air may make more economic sense than batteries even though batteries are nearly 100% efficient in terms of elecricity in / electricity out. Other energy storage systems that may have potential are kinetic energy in spinning flywheels, hydraulic accumulators and lithium heat storage.

Does the AirCar use regenerative braking and pump air back into the tank when slowing down?


97 posted on 03/30/2007 9:37:50 PM PDT by UnChained (Illegal immigrants aren't the enemy. Liberalism is.)
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The biggest problem with MDI's vehicles isn't air tanks exploding or laws of thermodynamics or anything so esoteric as that.

The biggest problem with them is you don't want to be in a wreck in one.

They're essentially aluminum tubing frames covered in fiber and foam.

http://www.theaircar.com/tecno.html#Car

The cars weigh 750 kg. My 2001 Sonoma weighs about 1700 kg.

I'm actually on their waiting list, but it would never be anything but a commuter/short errand car for me and it would never see a highway.

104 posted on 03/30/2007 9:54:30 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives - the Progs have never figured this out.)
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"90 cubic meters of compressed air stored in fiber tanks"

In a car?????

How much energy is in that 90 cubic meters? The same as in a regular tank of gas?


107 posted on 03/30/2007 9:57:33 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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Compressing air is very inefficient. The kitty-car sounds like an early April Fool's joke.


115 posted on 03/30/2007 10:28:35 PM PDT by Oliver Boliver Butt
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