Posted on 03/14/2007 9:15:46 PM PDT by dayglored
Last night, nearly 3,000 people received a mini lesson on the origin of the universe from perhaps the worlds most famous cosmologist, Stephen Hawking.
Hawking spoke to a packed audience in Zellerbach Hall about how Albert Einsteins general theory of relativity and quantum theory explained the creation of the universe.
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His lecture, which touched upon subjects such as black holes and spacetime, was peppered with quips that drew laughs from the audience.
If one believed that the universe had a beginning, the obvious question was, what happened before the beginning, Hawking said. What was God doing before He made the world?"
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Born exactly 300 years after the death of Galileo, Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at
Cambridge University Stephen W. Hawking is widely considered to be the greatest scientific
thinker since Newton and Einstein. In a talk aimed at the general public, Professor Hawking
discusses theories on the Origin of the Universe. He explains how time can have a beginning
and the progress made by cosmologists in an area that has traditionally belonged to theologists
and philosophers.
Geologists gave up on that idea about 30 years before Darwin's monumental publication.
"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."
( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )
Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )
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The $55 comment belongs in ANOTHER thread!
Yes, in fact if you make two changes to Hawking's cosmos it matches Genesis quite well:
1. Make it a bounded universe (and thus by equal distribution of gravitation, spherical).
2. Place earth at the center, as God most certainly would have.
These two changes to a universe that expanded from a singularity give us D. Russell Humphreys' well thought out model, which allows distant bodies to be truly distant while still having a six day creation as measured at the center, through the gravitational dilation of time of Einstein's General Relativity.
When you get your science right, it never disagrees with God's word.
That's because man created it. - We prefer the one that God gave us, because its true, unlike the aforementioned bovine excrement.
Why would he speak at a conference about hair?
huhh?
>>I'm trained as a mechanical engineer, into thermodynamics. If you know your thermo, you have to understand that the laws do not in anyway preclude the existence of God, as many claim.<<
Hmm
I almost never hear scientists claim that. I hear a lot of them saying they don't believe in God but not that he could not exist.
One thing that has to be recognized about Hawking, is that all he can do for himself is think. He's not hung up on his sex life, his tennis serve, high-powered sports cars, or the latest gourmet kitchen design. We should pray for him, and not attach evil connotations to things he says.
Bump that!
He was writting the software code used in the universe's construction. As a side note, the present situation of the big bang's math only works if you allow E=mc2 to be ignored during the initial stage. I do not agree with this interpretation, however, I'm pleased that it is noted as such.
If one believed that the universe had a beginning, the obvious question was, what happened before the beginning, Hawking said. What was God doing before He made the world? Was He preparing hell for people who asked such questions?
I believe this is rather a sarcastic, arrogant response. If you read on it's obvious that Hawking has no use for God.
But... he cannot help it.... his thoughts come back to God.
Thanks for the ping!
And God said let there be light and there was light.
No Big Bang, space has no atmosphere to carry sound.
"I almost never hear scientists claim that. I hear a lot of them saying they don't believe in God but not that he could not exist."
So, what you are claiming is that all scientists are at least agnostics and none are atheists. That is clearly not the case, in fact it is an impossibility. You cannot have agnostic atheists, they are either one or the other, so your statement makes no sense.
Your existence as a human proves sentient beings exist. Since some humans are smarter than others, one must conclude that it is possible that sentient human beings can exist that are greater than the greatest sentient human.
I look at the universe and I see an entity that can remember it's past (we can see back to the big bang), has the ability to predict it's future (based on conservative laws), has a nervous system of photon rays, has a sense of self (is not self annihilating). That to me is either God, or more likely some dimensional slice of God.
In short, to be an atheist is to be not so bright a bulb as one imagines.
For that matter, when you get God's word right, it never disagrees with science.
Actually, his first marriage broke up, in part because he was having an affair with his nurse. There are rumors that that is the cause of the second divorce, which he is in the process of going through at present.
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