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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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741 posted on 02/28/2007 1:36:30 PM PST by ozarkgirl (Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: Romulus
Not at all; I know exactly what you said, as well as ALL of what reading between the lines had to say.
742 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:05 PM PST by nopardons
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To: PhiKapMom; Registered

Registered has already had his manhood questioned once today!


743 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:14 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: nopardons

Wow. I'm underwhelmed.


744 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:31 PM PST by trisham (Hunter for president!)
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To: Guenevere
"Has it occurred to you and your friends here, that Jim Robinson started and controls this thread..."

No dearie, I started this thread, and it continues at Mr. Robinson's pleasure.

I also do not see where I have insulted him either (perhaps you can point to the post #? Or are you projecting again?)

A few posters have directed some BITING replies at Jim for what they see as errors in his position, but I have yet to see anyone go overboard...or else they presumably wouldn't be here...

745 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:40 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Dog Gone

LOL!


746 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:41 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Registered

No, they made it clear that it was someone in authority at Free Republic.


747 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:41 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Rex Anderson

Nice lie! Only two of the posts pulled were mine. You can count the lovely (/s!) howlin for at least one more. I never used any profanity, either, I just painted a truthful picture with words that others didn't seem to like.

Rex, quit being a pig, and don't blameme for stuff I didn't do. Get ir right before you spout more lies, chump.


748 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:45 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Maybe he heard the fire was 'flaming'.


749 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:46 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson

Beat ya.


750 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:57 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Carolinamom
For the record, I am NOT unhappy; nor am I a desperate housewife, a traitor, or a treasonous liberal.

Me neither, but I play one on TV!

751 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:57 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Al Simmons; Steel Wolf
"America, on the whole, is tired of war, and tired of the Bush/Cheney vibe in government. People are fickle. Voters even more so. They want change, and they're going to get it. Either we give them moderate change, or they'll take leftist change. Sorry, but them's the breaks."

Well said.

YES YES YES YES! The exact message I have been trying to communicate (though with less succinctness and clarity, perhaps)

Yeah, but I like to be really snippy some days...

752 posted on 02/28/2007 1:37:57 PM PST by harrowup (Gore will end the Hillary-Barack sideshow by announcing in November 2007)
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To: BykrBayb
They never did tell me who they were talking about they called "The Grifter."

Alan Keyes.

753 posted on 02/28/2007 1:38:12 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Guenevere

I have never been disrespectful to Jim Robinson.


754 posted on 02/28/2007 1:38:28 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Chena

I was called a murderer!


755 posted on 02/28/2007 1:38:40 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Guenevere
>>>>If you disagree so strongly with the forum creator and a whole lot of like minded Freepers, why don't you find another forum or start your own?

I second that motion.

756 posted on 02/28/2007 1:38:48 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Steel Wolf
Condescending tone aside, God forbid the GOP become as reactive as you recommend. In fact I'm afraid they have.

Your go-along, get-along philosophy has gotten us no where but closer and closer to what those who are unapologetically prinicipled - the leftists - have in mind for us. No thanks.

757 posted on 02/28/2007 1:38:52 PM PST by skeeter
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To: BykrBayb
If I were you, and thank GOD I am not, it is your abject lack of reading comprehension that should be called into view.

I didn't "insult" anyone; but YOU just did.

758 posted on 02/28/2007 1:39:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: redrock

Do you think Rudy would overturn the executive orders President Bush issued regarding abortion?


759 posted on 02/28/2007 1:39:12 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: BykrBayb; Howlin

You know full well that the Yahoo site wasn't an antiFreeper site and you were suspended for trying to pretend it was something it wasn't.

But now that the rules have changed around here, maybe you're free to post your "proof" (forgive me while I double over laughing there).


760 posted on 02/28/2007 1:39:26 PM PST by Peach
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