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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: BigSkyFreeper
You're the only one among us who had an account there.

The chances of that are almost zero.

661 posted on 02/28/2007 1:14:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: nopardons

One thing Bill Clinton did was bring in the moo-lah for those far right groups. With a conservative in the White House, a lot of that dried up. Just ask Keyes.


662 posted on 02/28/2007 1:15:01 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Peach
If you will go back and read the contract you will discover that it had very little to do with actually advancing conservative causes and more to do with simply reforming the congress and certain government entities, ie, rearranging the deck chairs.
663 posted on 02/28/2007 1:15:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Registered

ROFLOL! Very true -- you are AWESOME!


664 posted on 02/28/2007 1:15:33 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com)
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To: Howlin
The more I see of your posts on a variety of subjects, the smarter I think you are.

All that shows is how easy it is to fool people on the internet!

There are a couple of internet "personalities" here in NC that I would like to meet. You are one of them. Betsy (aka BETSY'S PAGE) is another. I REALLY REALLY think she rocks!

Btw, my wife likes your posts, too [smile].

665 posted on 02/28/2007 1:15:38 PM PST by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: Rex Anderson

I understand a Keyes' operative was seen at a Hunter event a couple of weeks ago; troubling, IMO.


666 posted on 02/28/2007 1:15:48 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: nopardons

I think you missed my point.


667 posted on 02/28/2007 1:15:49 PM PST by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: Steel Wolf
So stop thinking like fanatics, and start thinking like chessplayers, or be ready to nurse a string of principaled defeats.

I guess principled emotionalism only works for our opponents, eh? After all, they'll be the ones handing us the defeats.

668 posted on 02/28/2007 1:16:07 PM PST by skeeter
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To: EternalVigilance
The chances of that are almost zero.

So you didn't go over there to counter all the libel? Which is it?

669 posted on 02/28/2007 1:16:26 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Jim Robinson

Gee, I've read it and seem to recall some discussion about welfare reform and other issues. hmmm

Yet not one word in that Contract for America about abortion and gay rights. Oh, well.


670 posted on 02/28/2007 1:16:27 PM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

Yes, it IS being encourage; sadly.


671 posted on 02/28/2007 1:16:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin
Actually, you registered there when they got the facts about you; we all saw it, so there's no reason to try to mischaracterize it.

I realize that in your bizarre world, scurrilous lies are "facts." But outside the walls of your little asylum, they're not.

672 posted on 02/28/2007 1:16:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Howlin

Eeew. That would be troubling.

Mark for later read; time to go.


673 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:03 PM PST by Peach
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To: PhiKapMom
and how we can reach back out to some disenfranchised voters.

I wish I could share that optimism.

We, as a party, have been badly tainted by some of our own, and lots of stupid political errors.

Add to this, the rebellion within that is being fueled by the MSM on a daily basis and for the last three years.

I don't think it can be turned around by anyone. The "R" has been sullied.

It will take a few years of democrat mismanagement to remind everyone what they were like. I don't need reminding, but apparently many do. I'm thinking 2014 for a mid term comeback.

I will vote for Rudy if he makes it through the maze. I like Mitt, as more of a traditional type of republican candidate however.

I think they will be the last two standing.

674 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:11 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: M. Thatcher

nope.....nada....not at all....uh uh....


675 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:22 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!...)
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To: Howlin
I understand a Keyes' operative was seen at a Hunter event a couple of weeks ago; troubling, IMO.

Poor Hunter.

676 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:27 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Howlin; EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson

I thought we weren't supposed to discuss FReeper membership at other sites. Does this mean that the anti-FReeper group Howlin started is now open for discussion again?


677 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:35 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Carolinamom

Falsehoods ain't part of my lexicon, but being a buttinsky is your forte, I see.


678 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:49 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Howlin

I asked him not to post to me, and there he does it again. Did he say people opposing him had thick skulls earlier?

I believe he did.


679 posted on 02/28/2007 1:18:00 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Rex Anderson
"After what JR has posted about RG, he could never vote for him, even against Hillary, because to him Hillary is more conservative (she used to be a Republican)."

*OMG* *ROTFLMAO* (IN SHOCK).

These are really interesting times for FR.

Well, debate is a healthy part of growth - but even the moderate posts are starting to BITE... ;>)

680 posted on 02/28/2007 1:18:17 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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