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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: Howlin

Howlin, its so great to see you! You were missed!


721 posted on 02/28/2007 1:30:07 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: BykrBayb

What site is that? ... Freepers/enquiring minds would like to know.


722 posted on 02/28/2007 1:31:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: All
Well, as this forum was created to shake things up and reform our political landscape, given what's been going on lately, I must once again quote from my favorite (and most quotable) President, Theodore Roosevelt:

"There is, to every reform movement, a LUNATIC FRINGE."

And yes, THAT is where the phrase originated from. Along with many other pearls of wisdom our 26th President left us....

723 posted on 02/28/2007 1:31:42 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Carolinamom
I merely suggested you follow CT`s example.

You seem so unhappy, it was just a friendly suggestion.

724 posted on 02/28/2007 1:31:53 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: NathanR
I suppose if your house WAS burning down, you would not let anyone help put the fire out if he was gay.

That makes absolutely no sense. The fire was gay?

725 posted on 02/28/2007 1:32:29 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Jim Robinson

Each other, something that hasn't been done in years. And even though some of you all apparently believe that those of us here who are pragmantic REPUBLICANS are scum of the earth.

There is no perfect candidate, regardless of what some around here say.

I'm simply stating a fact: abortion and gay rights are NOT going to be a factor in 2008; if you all choose to try to make it one, we'll lose everything we've garnered to this point, whether you all think it's enough or not.


There will be two choices in 2008: R's or D's; I'm pulling the R, regardless of who it turns out to be. I will never, ever help another Democrat get in control of this country.

Call me unprincipled if you must.


726 posted on 02/28/2007 1:33:13 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: trisham
Fighting against the empty suit...Obama.

And where will YOU be; still cutting off your nose?

727 posted on 02/28/2007 1:33:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Steel Wolf
"America, on the whole, is tired of war, and tired of the Bush/Cheney vibe in government. People are fickle. Voters even more so. They want change, and they're going to get it. Either we give them moderate change, or they'll take leftist change. Sorry, but them's the breaks."

YES YES YES YES! The exact message I have been trying to communicate (though with less succinctness and clarity, perhaps)

728 posted on 02/28/2007 1:33:43 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: MHGinTN

It was group at yahoo, that was supposed to be private, but one of the members posted a link to it at another site, and it turned out to be open to the public.

They never did tell me who they were talking about they called "The Grifter."


729 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:31 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: Dog Gone

730 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:36 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Howlin

BRAVA!


731 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Al Simmons
I don't think I've ever said that. I have said that I will do all in my limited ability to make sure that I never have to face that decision. I still have confidence in conservatism and the Republican rank and file and doubt that they will allow their party to go over the liberal cliff. If the Republican party officially goes lib lite, it dies. The country does not need two liberal parties. Cooler heads will prevail.
732 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:46 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: M. Thatcher; Howlin; Carolinamom; Peach; Al Simmons; Registered
Has it occurred to you and your friends here, that Jim Robinson started and controls this thread...

..and the disrespectful tone you all have addressed to him is unconscionable.

I wonder at the man's patience...

I don't know why you think you can use your harsh words to discredit this good man and use his forum to denigrate others who hold the same beliefs as he espouses .....without response.

Personally, I find your posts insulting, irritating and wearying.

You have brought much divisiveness to this wonderful forum and I'm sad to see it.

If you disagree so strongly with the forum creator and a whole lot of like minded Freepers, why don't you find another forum or start your own?

733 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:47 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!...)
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To: Howlin
You make an asinine remark like you did, and I'm gonna call you on it. Problem is, I'm not here all the time. We'll have to have a rotating contingent of two dozen FReepers, one for every hour of the day to keep up with your posts. LOL
734 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:50 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Chena; redrock; Fierce Allegiance
I've been sitting here reading and just shaking my head. I'm also wondering who was responsible for all of those comments that had to be deleted. One would assume they were highly offensive, and one has to ask why that person wouldn't have been banned or suspended.

That would be Fierce Allegiance.

Redrock, unfortunately due to that post of yours, the blood of aborted babies is on your hands. Just ask FA.

735 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:51 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson

OLAS Syndrome?


736 posted on 02/28/2007 1:35:33 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Rex Anderson

Ask Larry Klayman too! LOL


737 posted on 02/28/2007 1:35:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BykrBayb
They never did tell me who they were talking about they called "The Grifter."

That would be a Keyes group.
738 posted on 02/28/2007 1:36:01 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: All

For the record, I am NOT unhappy; nor am I a desperate housewife, a traitor, or a treasonous liberal.


739 posted on 02/28/2007 1:36:08 PM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: BykrBayb

You must be talking about Alan Keyes.


740 posted on 02/28/2007 1:36:28 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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