Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Fine by me; I never called anybody a murderer like you do.
Have you ever asked yourself why you never get one in the mail anymore?
They have to bury it before it stinks up the room after they print it. They have done all they can to keep it low key and out of the publics eye for several election cycles, as it keeps getting more and more Theocratic and moralistic and loses touch with reality. It does not even pass Constitutional muster any longer.
And you wonder why the party is all screwed up......:-)
It's just a lot of hot air and A-political wishes by every crackpot who claims voting power.
You should see the democrat's platform! LOL!.......All useless political pander.
Mr. Robinson, I would like to concur with youngjim. I am extremely disappointed in the tone this site has taken over the last few months. I have always been amazed at how fair this place has been, and how open it was to many conservative and libertarian viewpoints. That has changed and folks are running in packs intent on destroying, rather than debating, the opposition. To call 68grunt a liberal is embarrassing and way over the top.
I realize that politics is hardball. But destroying coalitions and allowing this kind of behavior before this thing really even gets started is exceptionally dangerous. Discussing any of these possible candidate in an echo chamber will simply weaken us all and I am seeing many good posters, some of whom I disagree heartily with at times, are disappearing leaving only flame wars and name calling.
We all expect this place to be rough and tumble during primary season, but I would hope you would lead by example and not send it further into chaos and irrelevancy.
It's a screen name, ace.
Of course, Margaret Thatcher herself wouldn't pass muster with your ilk.
Well, there you go again. Spoken like a true RINO.
Why no....but are you implying that?
At least they are admitting that Rudy is a RINO. The next step is to nominate real Republicans.
Support whoever you want but dont be suprised at the result.
Oh yeah, here is just one of those occasions.
"What Reagan did was vote for Franklin Delano Roosevelt 3 times. Harry S. Truman once, Stevenson twice, and JFK once.. Demcorats all. Reagan in his life time voted for far more Democrats than Repubicans.
Reagan ran in 1980 on an economic pollicy he openly credited to JFK. What would Reagan do? For most of his life he suported Democrats with contributions and voted for Democrats. Reagan ran in 1980 as a RINO former actor's union president and Hollywood insider."
16 posted on 10/16/2005 4:50:03 PM PDT by Common Tator
Btw, Common Tator was ALL wrong about Reagan. Reagan was no RINO. Reagan voted for Eisenhower twice in 52&56, not the Democrat Stevenson, and Reagan voted for Nixon in 1960, not JFK. As was the case with Common Tator on many occasions, he didn't get it right.
I've been called many things on this forum, but a murderer takes the cake.
I'd like to see it immortalized for all time! Too bad CP is down, or they'd be a copy of it for the world to see!
That's what they all need a dose of, imo. A serious intervention is required.
Uh Huh.....I think so too........
She is a lady of class. She'd be pissed knowing someone like you was using her name for a screen name. Well, not really, but you get my point.
Maybe if you had spent as much effort here Nappy wouldn't be in the statehouse now. Insead, all you care about is other states.
The fear of Hillary
The fear of Al-Qaeda
Anything else is declared unimportant, divisive, and secondary--not having temporal and eternal consequences...
There is something very Westboro about many Rudy haters here.
This was your post and calling my attention to discussion about compromise in no way answers my question to you. Can you point me to a freeper in "full support of and actually arguing for...".
The answer is, of course, that you can't do it.
LOL, No need, it's in the FReeper lexicon.
Good grief, what a helluva way to select the leader of the free world...
You are right though, the party IS in trouble.
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