Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
I would say the argument boils down to realism vs idealism ....I think you need a bit of both
It's a beacon to those of us who support you and the conservative values of Free Republic.
Because I don't waste my time on people like you; you're here to disrupt and you're willing to lie to do it.
I can see the difference between republicans who think they're conservatives and phonies you pretend to be conservatives. I wish you could.
Oh, the plunge happened the night we got called treasonous liberals and last night when words were flung about that discredited every right thinking Republican.
Conservatism is dead, long live partisan hackery!
Come on EVie, you know whats up with it ...
what a sick comment
Absolutely.
You're a complete asshole; for you to call me a murderer is beyond the pale, and only shows what a vacuous nasty-assed poster you are.
You are what turns people off to the right to life groups.
No worse place than where they're getting us right now.
Now, as to whether conservatives and win-for-the-sake-of-winning party hacks share the same principles...that's another question.
RINO happens to be the kindest name I've been called, but we've taken it to mean Rudy Is Number One. And I think it's that frontrunner status among Republicans across the nation that is causing general hysteria.
And you're surprised? This place is LOADED with that crap 24/7 now, haven't you noticed?
Yes, they do, but they have a different agenda. They are engaged in a power play for the reigns of the RNC and they are failing. They are attacking the moderates and anyone else with a different social opinion then their own. In doing so, they have damaged the party. Nearly destroyed it and this will be obvious in 2008.
So who is the culprit here....Me??????? Or the nasty new meat eating fish that are new to the tank?
Obviously your issue is guns, and Rudy is a big city prosecutor. Big cities, hate guns....
Not just some of them, but all of them and us country folks can't really understand this concept.
I don't particularly like ex-procecutors for this reason.
If you feel this way about Rudy, then you should feel the same way about Judge Bork! You should be glad he was Borked!
There are exceptions to most rules in politics, but the unappeasable does not see them. I think the key to good politics is knowledge, and we cannot have too much of it. I think Judge Bork, regardless of his first amendment opinions, who have been a asset to the court at a time when we needed on badly. So there are always compromises. I also think we could have done without the Harriet Miers debate. It damaged the presidency and she never received a single debate or vote in the Senate. It was a travesty.
There are alway grey and tan areas in politics. Always.....
I believe reality will start setting in on April 1st.
That's absolutely correct. However, I believe that President Reagan was in office during part of that time. He was very opposed to abortion, but it's still there. The same with President Bush.
The simple fact is, we have FAILED when it comes to abortion simply because we keep expecting politicians to do something. And as long as we're fighting each other, we will continue to fail. So when you talk about blood on hands, don't neglect to look at your own.
That is disgusting!
If you support rudy because of this, knowing full well he actively avoided military service (the draft) and raised money for a militant gay group with ties to an anti-war communist outfit, I'd say you are fooling yourself.
So, you're claiming that I'm "Fierce Allegiance?"
Prove it, troll, or admit you're a liar.
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