Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Compromise is never the answer.
And some who are strongly suggesting/or coercion by guilt ...that many here at FR should abandon our deep rooted and long held beliefs for a Rudy Guiliani or someone like him who has the same world view, ie, abortion, gay rights, gun control...etc...
.. would be unconscionable!!
..we cannot & will not do this.
I am saddened by the divisiveness this very important issue has created...
..and I am troubled that many are aligning against our forum creator, Jim Robinson and attempting to divide this forum & create a Civil War.!!
Oh, save the drama. The name-calling has been a back and forth thing.
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Giuliani | Clinton | Dem Platform | GOP Platform |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Abortion on Demand | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Partial Birth Abortion | Supports Opposed NY ban |
Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Overturning Roe v. Wade | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Taxpayer Funded Abortions | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Embryonic Stem Cell Research | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Federal Marriage Amendment | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes Defined at state level |
Supports |
| Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Openly Gay Military | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Defense of Marriage Act | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Amnesty for Illegal Aliens | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens |
Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
| Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
| Protecting 2nd Amendment | Opposes |
Opposes | Opposes Supports bans |
Supports |
| Confiscating Guns | Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged. |
Supports | Supports Supports bans |
Opposes |
| 'Assault' Weapons Ban | Supports | Supports | Supports | |
| Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers |
Supports Filed One Himself |
Supports | Opposes | |
| Gun Registration/Licenses | Supports | Supports | Opposes | |
| War in Afghanistan | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports | Supports |
| War in Iraq | Supports | Varies Voted for it |
Supports Weak support |
Supports |
| Patriot Act | Supports | Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006 |
Opposes | Supports |
Nope, I haven't lost a thing. I've gotten the same thing for the last 8 years that we got from the previous 40 under the Dims. Nothing but tidbits and table scraps.
Nothing from Nothing = Nothing
I haven't seen one person here supporting those issues you just posted; what I have seen is people supporting a candidate who claims he has changed and that they can support to keep the liberals out of control of all three branches of the goverment.
To claim they support those issues is disengenuous, at best.
B/S.
Compromise is the ONLY answer because there are not enough of us to win an election.
Keep saying there are and you'll be in the minority forever.
And where will your principles get you then?
Agreed. I actually think the plunge has already happened.
Damn, chump, what's got your knickers in such a twist today? You are really cruising with this nasty attitude.
You want to silence the bickering by bickering. WTF is up with that?
I gave up trying. He's spread himself thin.
B/S what?
You are now claiming that all these people who have been here all these years fighting for conservative goals have now switched over?
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, on the one side you have me, identifying fifth columnist disruptors, the California Ilk Herd and other individuals who I consider counter-productive, and on the other side you've got these individuals ripping apart great numbers of anonymous FReepers. I think my way is direct and allows the individual recourse, while these fifth columnists cowardly attempt their anonymous division. Cowardly, NinoFan, cowardly.
Spoken like a committed RINO.
Can you point me to one person advocating those things, or are you just engaging in more hyperbole because you don't like the Republican that is the frontrunner in America today among Republicans, Democrats and Moderates?
Amen! Sanity would be a good thing around here so that FReepers can organize behind the conservative candidates and not have to fight daily battles against the liberal infiltrators who support their liberal candidates and demoralize the supporters of the conservative candidates. Since when was there even a debate on this site that we support the conservatives and oppose the liberals? But that's what we've been going back and forth about for months now.
And you want the RINOs out, right?
If you support the candidate, you support his positions. OK, I'd give you a mulligan on one, but that leaves a lot of negatives on Rudy's side you must directly support. Which would those be?
Don't put words in my mouth; you've done that before and been proven a liar.
While Presidents do have power of the veto, they do not make or abolish laws; the Supreme Court and Congress do that.
This nation at this time in its history does need strong leadership against a foe that is determined to kill us all. It is imperative, therefore, that we elect a Republican President because God knows a Democratic one will also lead to our destruction.
I asked you a fair question. Why won't you answer it, or does the premise hit too close to home? Can't wash that blood off your hands, huh?
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