Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
..why thank you, Al
BTW you were a great baseball player...
I am well aware of that passage, EV. Now, don't you think it's TIME for you to answer my question? Who are you FOR?
Do I detect a note of sarcasm? #:>0
I wish it was time for you to stfu you fifth columist disruptor.
He already explained why he thought he was a socialist. In the full quote, Jim explained:
"Wants to control free speech, regulate or ban guns, seize private property, use the heavy hand of government to control, regulate private industry, wants to award special rights to homosexuals accelerating the breakdown of moral society, he devalues and degrades human life, claims there is a constitutional right to abortion, is even ok with ripping unborn babies limb from limb and or sucking their brains out. The man is a socialist."
I've got to agree. Such views are those of a socialist.
Now there's an intelligent response.
Common Tator is gone??? Really?? One less Rino around here to fight and feud with??? I knew this would be a good day.
When Liberal Republicans vote no different than Liberal Democrats, I don't see where my political support of this party has been either
A. Appreciated
B. Desired
Therefore if another Liberal Republican is nominated for the Presidancy, I will not support them.
Like I told you the other day, old man. Watch that blood pressure.
Common Tator was a well-known FR liberal and a prolific poster on this site for years.
You are right, youngjim, Common Tator was no liberal, and the depths EV will go to disparage someone is despicable.
Well, need to be careful about that. I understand he has some health issues. He's in my prayers, even if we disagreed on pretty much everything politically.
You and I usually disagree, but I do think Fred Thompson could save us from all this.
Right now, I'm for saving the Republican Party from the certain destruction it faces if it thumbs its nose at pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun constitutional conservatives.
but times change - the 'Rats won by grabbing a bigger share of the middle in 2006 - unless we do the same we're gonna go down in 2008.
THAT is the lesson of the 2006 elections...
You, as a fifth columnist disruptor, use JR positions to attempt to divide FReepers. I've read all of JR posts, and while disappointed that he gives fifth columnist scum the fodder to divide, I do support all the things he has said, and his assurance that he will be voting in the general. Evie, you fifth columnist, I support Duncan Hunter in spite of your vitriol, deceit and disruption. Jim has made all of his posts without the filthy alienating tactics you fifth columnist disruptors employ.
I disagree with the moniker...RINO...you can say "social conservative in name only", but Republicans come in all shapes and sizes and the Republican Party encompasses more than one or two issues.
On this site, however, if a Republican differs from one plank in a strict conservative platform, they are tarred and feathered.
Me thinks you are confusing Republicanism with conservatism. The Republicans are closer in line with a conservative agenda than the democratic party will ever be, but they are not one in the same.
We only know each other according to screen names. There probably wouldn't be half the fighting going on here if people knew each other a bit better, and could find some common ground.
Unfortunately, the nature of politics doesn't allow for much of that.
If history is any indicator, my guess would be after all the primaries are over and before the conventions begin.
"Ain't that the truth."
Unless of course, they are also interested in national survival (WOT), and believe that Rudy will appoint conservative judges.
BTW, Nino fan - I had the great pleasure to meet and discuss Constitutional law with both Judge Bork and then Judge Scalia at the 1985 Federalist Convention in DC. Its a tragedy that Bork was kept off the bench due to 'Rat character assassination. How the decisions might have gone differently had he, and not Kennedy, been there since 1987....
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