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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: EternalVigilance
Sorry, but anyone who empowers the left like you do has no credibility with such statements.

It is you and your ilk who empower the left; they read your specious little posts and laugh to themselves about all the money they are saving by not having to do the things you're doing for them!

You don't care about anything except your paycheck.

181 posted on 02/28/2007 10:17:08 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: colorado tanker
They paid a heavy price for expelling those folks.

No question about it....

The amazing thing to me, is that we are fully armed with the knowledge of this political history, yet so many fail to accept it and are repeating the very same sort of political error.

Those who do not learn from history are indeed doomed to repeat it.

And repeat it, they will.

182 posted on 02/28/2007 10:17:37 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Registered
I am thoroughly convinced his mission is to create division here.

LMAO! That's a funny comment to the queen of divisiveness!

183 posted on 02/28/2007 10:17:59 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Queen? Hardly. I'll compare body hair with you any day.


184 posted on 02/28/2007 10:18:34 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Registered

Oh, it's not just you; evidently he's being paid by the post and believes it's his job to refute every single word being posted on these threads.


185 posted on 02/28/2007 10:18:42 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: B Knotts

Yes you are wrong. The country is divided in half between "Democrat" and "Repurlican". There CANNOT be twice as many liberals as conservatives. It's not mathmatically possible.


186 posted on 02/28/2007 10:18:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: Al Simmons

Nice work Al.


187 posted on 02/28/2007 10:19:26 AM PST by Artemis Webb (Be a REAL conservative. Stay home and pout so Hillary can win!)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

#180, funny!


188 posted on 02/28/2007 10:19:28 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Registered

LOL, even when we diasagree, you still make me laugh. Good on ya!


189 posted on 02/28/2007 10:20:19 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: Howlin

Posted by Jim Robinson to Celtjew Libertarian
On News/Activism ^ 02/27/2007 8:27:55 PM CST · 107 of 549 ^

Well, it's not just the queers. It's the gay unions, gay rights, abortion rights, partial birth abortion, the gun control, the pro illegal immigration, the we can fix man made global warming thing, the McCain-Feingold is good but we must plug the loopholes b/s.

This article just happens to expose more of the queer agenda thing, so this is the place to talk about Rudy's support for this nonsense.

Face it, the man is not a conservative. He does not respect individual rights. He does not defend the constitution. And he's not ashamed to admit it. Why do you try to deny it?

Go Rudy!! The more you talk, the more you expose your liberalness!!


190 posted on 02/28/2007 10:20:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Al Simmons
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda.

Rudy is NOT the nominee yet! How about finding a candidate that has broader appeal than one that dramatically contradicts with the base?

191 posted on 02/28/2007 10:21:02 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: cake_crumb

Look at the polls over the past 30 years. Twice as many voters identify themselves as conservatives as liberals.

You can say I'm wrong, but the empirical evidence backs me up. Heck, someone cited it on this very thread.


192 posted on 02/28/2007 10:21:29 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08! FReepmail me to get on the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: TommyDale
You could also ask "IS DRIVING CONSERVATIVES OUT OF THE GOP GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY? THOUGHT-PROVOKING MUST-READ FOR RUDY-LOVERS."

Then of course one could come to the realization that either way means putting the Democrats in power for a long long time.

193 posted on 02/28/2007 10:21:44 AM PST by billva
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To: Howlin
It is you and your ilk who empower the left; they read your specious little posts and laugh to themselves about all the money they are saving by not having to do the things you're doing for them!

Please explain the logic behind that faulty little opinion of yours.

194 posted on 02/28/2007 10:21:50 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: EternalVigilance; Registered

See, Registered, I was right; he IS being paid by the post; heck, he's even copying and pasting other people's posts!


195 posted on 02/28/2007 10:22:40 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

Someone's paying him. His little "Iowans for whatever" doesn't rake in enough to provide a living, and his once in a blue moon articles (snicker) on RenewKeyes.us isn't about to provide the income either. Of course he does have a few shell games running in the form of donation gathering websites to promote Freedom, Liberty and Patriotism!(tm) for all God-Fearing Americans!

Where's Elmer Gantry when ya need him?


196 posted on 02/28/2007 10:22:41 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Registered
Where's Elmer Gantry when ya need him?

Waiting in the wings no doubt; the coffers must be near dry from 2004.

197 posted on 02/28/2007 10:24:23 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: cake_crumb
Darn. Correction: "There CANNOT be twice as many conservatives as liberals. It's not mathematically possible." That was worse than usual. Must be low on carbs. I'm going in search of sustenance.
198 posted on 02/28/2007 10:24:53 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: EternalVigilance

You tell me.

You are the one who works for the DNC.


199 posted on 02/28/2007 10:24:55 AM PST by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: Registered

Smear, smear, smear. It's the new Registered trademark since he sold out the conservative movement.


200 posted on 02/28/2007 10:24:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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