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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: Valin
Rudy is a one weird guy. If he get's the nomination the press will have plenty of fodder with which to destroy him. And they will.

Mitt doesn't have that kind of baggage. And I wouldn't put it past him to play rough if he has to.

1,981 posted on 03/02/2007 7:31:04 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: SJackson
Based on negatives, Hillary doesn't stand a chance

Yes, and the D's will be stupid if they nominate her. Let's not follow them in their stupidity to nominate someone on our side with even HIGHER negatives. (Hillary's are 48% last time I saw, and as it was pointed out, Newt's are in the 60's.)

1,982 posted on 03/02/2007 7:31:49 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: TAdams8591
I think Mitt is the only canndidate with the appeal to beat either Hillary or Obama.

The best way to demonstrate that is by winning the nomination. If he can beat Rudy, I'd agree.

1,983 posted on 03/02/2007 7:32:13 AM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance

Hey EVie, you and your alter ego, Fiercie, show up to continue the agitation? How many people can you push over the limit today, you fifth columnist disruptor? How many are you going to alienate today, disruptor?


1,984 posted on 03/02/2007 7:35:09 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: bjs1779

I can't imagine voting for a pro-abortion candidate. Who will he nominate to the Supreme Court, anti-abortionists?


Mayor Rudy Giuliani on the campaign trail
The Hugh Hewitt Show
2-23-07 at 6:11 PM
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=946ea11b-064a-4272-90d2-1e2eda6678f4
(snip)

HH: You know, you picked up Ted Olson’s endorsement, taking a digression. That’s a big deal. Will he be playing a role in your campaign?


RG: He sure will. I mean, Ted Olson is someone I have…first of all, he’s a very, very good friend. I mean, he’s someone…he’s been my friend since those days, and we’ve been through a lot together. Yes, Ted will play a very big role in my campaign, and I mean, if Ted weren’t my very, very good friend, he’d be somebody I’d still want to rely on as probably one of the biggest experts on the Constitution in this country, and the person who probably has argued before the Supreme Court more than anybody I know.


HH: He or Judge Starr, one of those two are the two most…


RG: He or Ken have probably argued before the Supreme Court more than anyone that I know, and their knowledge of it is remarkable. I mean, it’s a great asset to anybody.


HH: Will he help you pick judges if you are the president, and you’re making Supreme Court selections?


RG: He’d be one of the first people that I’d turn to for advice and help and assistance. And I was involved in the Reagan administration in the judge selection process, although that was run by the deputy attorney general, and I was involved in the U.S. attorneys and U.S. marshals. But I watched all of it, and I appointed 100 judges myself. And it’s something I thought of, when I was the Mayor, as one of the most important things that I did.


HH: Did you have a litmus test for those hundred?


RG: No. No, not a litmus test on a single issue, a philosophical test, meaning what I wanted to know was what’s their view of how you interpret the Constitution and laws? Are they…do the Constitution and laws exist as the thing from which you have to discern the meaning and the intent? Or are you going to superimpose your own social views? And I want, I like the first kind of judge, who is a judge who looks to the meaning of the Constitution, doesn’t try to create it.


HH: A pro-life voter looking at you, knowing that you’re pro-choice, but not concerned that presidents really matter so much in that, except as far as judges are concerned, what do you tell them about who you’re going to be putting on the federal bench?


RG: I’m going to say I’d put people like…I mean, the best way to do it is to just say I would, I could just have easily have appointed Sam Alito or Chief Justice Roberts as President Bush did, in fact. I’d have been pretty proud of myself if I had been smart enough to make that choice if I were the president.


HH: Do you expect justices like Roberts and Alito to come out of a Giuliani administration?


RG: I hope. I mean, that would be my goal. I mean, they’re sort of a very high standard, and so is Justices Scalia and Thomas. That would be the kind of judges I would look for, both in terms of their background and their integrity, but also the intellectual honesty with which they interpret the law.


1,985 posted on 03/02/2007 7:36:17 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Dang Francie, stop with all your homo crap, will ya?


1,986 posted on 03/02/2007 7:37:23 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Blackirish
SAME AS HUNTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe that if one side should be able to use this humiliating, objectionable and offending strict definition of an 'abortionist', then fair turn about is fair trade.

1,987 posted on 03/02/2007 7:40:26 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: SJackson
"The best way to demonstrate that is by winning the nomination"

Actually, that is not necessarily true. The best way to demonstrate it is by winning in the genral, which of course cannot happen unless one wins the nomination. Republicans don't always pick the nominee who can win, unfortunately.

1,988 posted on 03/02/2007 7:41:09 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Do you have a link, please? Internet traffic is something I normally don't follow.


1,989 posted on 03/02/2007 7:42:21 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

You need a new script, troll.


1,990 posted on 03/02/2007 7:44:03 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Wonder Warthog
What about Duncan Hunter as a running mate.

Flips my switch.
1,991 posted on 03/02/2007 7:47:20 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, Dims Gone Wild, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Valin
"I hope. I mean, that would be my goal. I mean, they’re sort of a very high standard, and so is Justices Scalia and Thomas. That would be the kind of judges I would look for, both in terms of their background and their integrity, but also the intellectual honesty with which they interpret the law."

A guy who supports abortion as strongly as Rudy is going to appoint Judges who would have ROE overturned? Sorry, it's just not believable.

1,992 posted on 03/02/2007 7:48:06 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: TAdams8591
They're already taking shots at him. The DBM is playing wack-a-mole with him and Mitt, and it's Rudy's turn. So far the only one of the 'leading" candidates that they won't go after (at this time) is a certain senator from AZ.
As for the others (Duncan Hunter..etc) they have to show me that they can win, that they have the org, fund raising, pr flacks and the ability to (I'm not sure how to put this) speak to the American voter(?). Until they can do that I can't take them seriously.
That being said it's a long long time till NH, Iowa..etc and anytthing can happen...and probably will.

I'm not ready to drink anyones kool-aid at this time.

1,993 posted on 03/02/2007 7:48:16 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Hey EVie, last I remember you hadn't picked a candidate to destroy support, has that changed yet? Or are you still just trying to save us from ourselves. Why don't you and Fiercie give me another simultaneous post, it keeps you off a thread longer while you compose the both of them.
1,994 posted on 03/02/2007 7:52:27 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Valin
"and the ability to (I'm not sure how to put this) speak to the American voter(?)."

I call it charisma. No matter how much money Hunter raises, it won't change the fact that he hasn't got it.

1,995 posted on 03/02/2007 7:53:12 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: Valin
"and the ability to (I'm not sure how to put this) speak to the American voter(?)."

I call it charisma. No matter how much money Hunter raises, it won't change the fact that he hasn't got it.

1,996 posted on 03/02/2007 7:53:13 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: 68 grunt

Shut up. Your repeated claim that I post under more than one sn is a flat out lie. Trollish.


1,997 posted on 03/02/2007 7:54:14 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: TAdams8591

Double posting around #2000 ??????? ooow ooow oow :^>


1,998 posted on 03/02/2007 7:54:50 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: EternalVigilance
Its a fact, you are a disruptor and divider. You try and separate anyone you can. I think you're despicable and the worst thing that can happen to conservatism.
1,999 posted on 03/02/2007 7:56:27 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt; Fierce Allegiance; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

FA, this stalking troll keeps making this claim. Any comments for him?


2,000 posted on 03/02/2007 7:58:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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