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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
The fact that I do not want Rudy to be President of the United States does not make me a Rudy-Hater, or a hater of any kind. It does make me a principled conservative, not willing to compromise that which I will have to answer for in the next life.

I totally agree with your post. Hate the sin; not the sinner.

161 posted on 02/28/2007 10:06:56 AM PST by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: Howlin
We've already settled on WHAT you are; what's remaining to be determined is what your PRICE is to destroy the GOP.

If the GOP is destroyed, it won't be because of me. It will be because of people like you who want to recreate it in Hillary's image.

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rooty Giuliani

162 posted on 02/28/2007 10:07:17 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance

So when is Keyes going to announce his candidacy?


163 posted on 02/28/2007 10:07:28 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Al Simmons

Is the GOP based upon principal or compromise?


164 posted on 02/28/2007 10:07:49 AM PST by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Howlin; Registered

Hey folks, hold up for a few while I go make some pop corn.


165 posted on 02/28/2007 10:08:03 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Howlin

I am thoroughly convinced his mission is to create division here. Seemingly having multiple personalities, posting until the weeee hours of the night, getting up, posting more, obsessively. There is no other reason for him to be as vitriolic and hateful.


166 posted on 02/28/2007 10:09:28 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Howlin

Posted by Jim Robinson to PhiKapMom; Sunsong; Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; ...
On News/Activism ^ 02/27/2007 10:10:27 PM CST · 49 of 110 ^


Woo hoo!! Go Rooty!! The people do not need free speech!

"McCain-Feingold is good. It's Constitutional but needs some loopholes fixed that people are slipping through. Can't have people freely donating to candidates of their choice!"


RG: I think there's no question that the present McCain-Feingold law has had tremendous loopholes in it, that people have taken advantage of. And it needs to be corrected. It needs to be cured.

DP: So you would like to see it in place as well? You're also for...

RG: I would like to...but I think, in fairness to Senator McCain, that he has recognized some of the problems that maybe weren't foreseen in McCain-Feingold, and has promised to try to fix it. I don't know that that's happened.

DP: Well, let me then be specific. Why shouldn't people just be allowed to give any amount of money they want to any candidate, and just have it publicly known? Why should there be a law limiting that freedom?

RG: Well, I mean, there...I think there are very good arguments on either side of that. I've always lived under a campaign finance law that had limitations on it, so I'm sort of pretty comfortable with it. But the reality is that the Supreme Court has so far ruled on that, and I guess found McCain-Feingold...

DP: Unfortunately.








If you would like to join my "Go Rooty" ping list, plaese consult your personal shrink.


167 posted on 02/28/2007 10:09:29 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Put lots of butter on it for me.


168 posted on 02/28/2007 10:09:56 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: EternalVigilance

You have absolutely NOTHING to do with the GOP, who will be electing the next POTUS.

What you are doing is trying to split what you consider to be the conservative base; the funny thing is the base isn't people like you; it's real people who care about this country, not themselves.

It won't be long now, though, before you will be relagated where you belong: in the trash heap; you are totally irrelevant and mean nothing to anything in the long run.

You are an acknowledged political consultant, thus an admitted liar, because we all know that is what you DO when you play politics.

We rant and rail because we love and care about this country; you do what you do because that's the only way you can make a living.


169 posted on 02/28/2007 10:12:26 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Registered

As I said, a political whore. And not even a classy one at that.


170 posted on 02/28/2007 10:13:11 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Al Simmons
The center-right Republican majority in presidential politics and eventually in congressional elections began when in the 1968-72 time frame the Democrats split over Vietnam and sent their hawks, now derided as "neo-cons," over to the Republicans. From 1968-2008, forty years, the Dems occupied the White House for twelve years and the pubbies for 28. And they only got eight of those years because Ross Perot split the vote and put a Dem in as a minority president.

They paid a heavy price for expelling those folks.

171 posted on 02/28/2007 10:13:12 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Al Simmons

Conservatives say RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!


172 posted on 02/28/2007 10:13:44 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: Registered
I am thoroughly convinced his mission is to create division here. Seemingly having multiple personalities, posting until the weeee hours of the night, getting up, posting more, obsessively. There is no other reason for him to be as vitriolic and hateful.

Well, if you're going to post lies about me, I guess I have no choice but to post to you. And here I thought I'd gotten rid of you. Just like a liberal: Can't count on 'em to keep their word for even a couple of posts on a thread...

173 posted on 02/28/2007 10:13:46 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Rex Anderson

At the warp speed this forum is plunging into hell, I would say any day now.


174 posted on 02/28/2007 10:14:02 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
When is Keyes going to announce his candidacy?
175 posted on 02/28/2007 10:15:05 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Howlin

Welcome back from your vacation! You sure don't miss a beat, huh?


176 posted on 02/28/2007 10:15:14 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: lighthorse

IMO, Hunter will do well in North Central PA and in in Central NY State. There are a lote of Toomey fans in NC PA, and amazingly he had quite a bit of support in Central NY. Go figure. Hunter may do well all over PA if the voter backlash against Fast Eddie continues.


177 posted on 02/28/2007 10:15:18 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: Howlin
We rant and rail because we love and care about this country;

Sorry, but anyone who empowers the left like you do has no credibility with such statements.

178 posted on 02/28/2007 10:15:19 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Howlin

I told him to stop posting to me, I am beginning to feel "stalked".


179 posted on 02/28/2007 10:15:41 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Al Simmons
So let's refrain from name-calling, and discuss his points rationally

You sure you have the right bulletin board?

180 posted on 02/28/2007 10:16:54 AM PST by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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