Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Just a note: In my last post I said, "While not challenging your main premise." Don't want you to think I'm not challenging it because I agree with it. I don't by a long shot. Just don't care to deal with it right now.
I meant exactly what I said. Polls this far out from an election are run to create reality, not to report on it. And the liberal forces in both parties are running them and flogging them every day now.
I have been a Conservative AND a Republican long before many of the people vomiting the RINO as an pejorative, were born, were REGISTERED GOPers ( since some of them used to be REGISTERED Dem, went Libertarian, or were registered Libertarian, or just didn't give a dam about politics at all! ), or cast their first vote.
I have worked on many political campaigns; local, state, and national, with money, time, and in some cases great effort. I have ALWAYS voted a straight Republican ticket and no matter what the outcome of this primary, shall continue to do so.
I haven't missed a single election, for ANYTHING, since I reached voting age. Neither have I ever voted for some fringe party's candidate and shall NEVER do so.
They can call me RINO into eternity, but that won't make it a factual statement.
They can call me any name they care to; that will not make their specious calumnies true, either.
But I do tend to find it hilarious to have drunks, who drink beer and/or other alcoholic beverages, while posting, call me a "drunk"/imply that I'm drinking, when I'm about 98% teatotal. LOL
OH get off your high horse already!
well as you and all the rootie folks are constantly reminding us the past is the PAST. right?
disgusting? most of what we posted was from when we were all YOUNG. or maybe you missed the "good ole days" part of the thread.
just because we had wild youths does not mean that we didnt GROW UP and realize the importance of strong family values.
First you all call us religious zealots, now we are hypocrits and disgusting ROFL. make up your mind, will ya!
And honestly I would have enjoyed it if you had posted and NO i would not have baited OR flamed you.
But i guess you would see that, when you look at everyone thru the same judgemental glass.
I'm still getting mail about that by freepers who just can't quite bring themselves to believe it. There was a line or two crossed on this thread as well, imo, although I think the offending evidence was removed.
Please tell me this is a joke. Please.
Look at the tag line...
Paid for by McCain 2008 LOL
oh man, this thread is going to 3000 now!
*WHEW*!!
They didn't realize the divisiveness so you ran right over there to tell them. Sure, that makes sense. /s
LOL!
You know, at one time I liked McCain, prior to the 2000 election season. then he started to look to me like a loose cannon. I think it was Wayne LaPierre of the NRA that John McCain attacked on one the the sunday news shows that set me off. I remember sending his campaign a scathing email denouncing him and telling him I would never, ever vote for him. So now I can't. I appreciate his support for Bush and the Iraq war, but I just don't believe him to be sane.
"I don't understand why JimRob feels the criticism of Bush for spending like a socialist is somehow illegitimate."
Who said I did? You people are beginning to believe your own rhetoric.
A million times I've said criticize Bush and the Republicans on their policies all day long where criticism is due, but don't come in here like a sopped out DUh troll bashing them with leftist propaganda and smear.
If you want to say that spending is too high, I will agree with you all day long. Or that we should be cutting rather than expanding federal healthcare and education programs, etc, etc. I'm 100% behind cutting taxes and government spending to the bone--and then some.
Also 100% behind cutting government regulation, red tape, entire departments, agencies and volumes and volumes of useless and unconstitutional law and or treaties not in our best interests.
That said, I'm also 100% behind backing the war on terror, wherever it may lead. I'm also 100% behind a complete turnover in the judiciary within the next decade or two and replacing as many liberal activist judges as possible with conservative judges, therefore, I am 100% behind reelecting President Bush and increasing the majority in both houses of Congress by as many seats as humanly possible.
I'm sick and tired of my life being controlled by the feminist/abortionist/homosexualist/gungrabbing/American hating cowardly liberal, thus I am 100% behind removing as many of their evil carcasses as possible from our government and keeping them out!
All of the above means that I will not tolerate for long anyone posting garbage that is designed or will lead to promoting or campaigning for Democrats, likewise any plans proposed to dump Bush or dump Republicans to the point we lose the majority.
Free Republic was never intended to be a liberal debating society. It has a purpose and goals. The long term goal is to promote the cause of conservatism and to work for a return to the constitutionally limited republican form of government as established by our founders. If these are not your goals then I don't want you here. I am defending my first amendment right to freedom of association. I only want to associate myself and FR with people who will work with me to achieve my goals.
And I feel these goals will never be achieved until we first break the liberal stranglehold on the judiciary and the rest of our government. And this cannot possibly happen if we swap back and forth between Democrats and Republicans every four or eight years. The only thing that this causes is a further leftward drift. Both sides have to cater to the middle to get elected. Every time the democrats get in, the leftists get deeper entrenched. Then the Republicans come in for a short time and can't get much done, so they move left to try to draw more of the center vote. And then the conservatives get pissed and throw the bums out, and the cycle continues.
The only way to break this cycle is for the Republicans to hold on to the majority for at least three or more full eight year cycles in a row. We need several cycles to appoint and confirm as many conservative judges as possible as the old liberals die off or retire. As long as we leave the liberal activist judges in place, we're gonna suffer under their unconstitutional rulings that are destroying our families, our youth, our society and our liberty. We can't turn it around until a generation or so of our young are brought up without the liberal agenda being force fed down their throats at every turn.
There is no other way that I can see short of armed rebellion. And you all know that that's one of the reasons for FR. To head this off and reverse the trend before violence is the only possible alternative.
We've lost a lot over the last century or so, but one thing we have left and plenty of it is our vote. Use it don't lose it. And don't waste it either. Don't fall for the Ross Perot or Patrick J. Buchanan pied piper bs. All that does is elect Clintons... and damn near elected a Gore.
I thank God for President Bush! We could've had gore.
Long live the Republic!
73 posted on 07/12/2003 5:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/945054/posts?page=73#73
Yet you defend those here who call this guy "treaonous" simply because he can see a purpose for someone like Rudy Giuliani:
Pete Sessions Abortion Issues (Back to top) Date Bill Title Vote 01/11/2007 Stem Cell Research Act of 2007 N 12/06/2006 Abortion Pain Bill Y 05/25/2005 Overseas Military Facilities Abortion Amendment N 04/27/2005 Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act Y 10/02/2003 Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y 06/04/2003 Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y 07/20/2000 Abortion Funding Amendment N 07/13/2000 Family Planning Assistance Funding amendment N 06/22/2000 Prison Abortion Funding Amendment N 05/18/2000 Oversea Military Abortions Amendment N 04/05/2000 Partial Birth Abortion Act Y 07/29/1999 Abortion Funding Amendment N 06/30/1999 Child Custody Protection Act Y 06/09/1999 Overseas Military Abortion Amendment N 06/08/1999 Prohibition of Chemically Induced Abortion Amendment Y 10/08/1998 Contraceptive Amendment Y 08/06/1998 Abortion Funding Amendment N 07/23/1998 Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y 07/15/1998 Child Custody Protection Act Y 06/24/1998 Chemical Inducement of Abortion Amendment Y 05/20/1998 Abortion Private Funding Restoration Amendment N 10/08/1997 Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y 09/04/1997 International Family Planning amendment NV 03/20/1997 Partial-Birth Abortion bill Y 02/13/1997 Population Planning bill Y
Who is more pro-life? You and your pro-life talk or Pete Sessions and his pro-life walk? Hasn't he earned more respect from this site of all places than what he has been served up here?
You seem to have lost your vision.
The battle is between Giuliani and other candidates, not "between Giuliani ... versus the conservative grassroots".
The main problem facing those who oppose Rudy is that there isn't a "true conservative candidate that has a realistic shot to beat him. If Jeb had another last name he would get my support, but he can't run right after his brother. Newt is damaged goods, McCain isn't trusted and Romney is just not catching fire. The rest, including Hunter, are unknowns. Unknowns occasionally win the 'rat nomination, but the GOP has preferred known commodities (which hurt us in 1996).
"Lying Pollsters" is a fair charge on some occasions (notably the 2004 exit polls, which clearly were grossly misleading, IMHO deliberately so) -- but to claim that all of the many polls in many states over the past two weeks are all lying is just not credible. Rudy is clearly in front now, and the history of our Party is the the early leader has a big advantage. No, the race is by no means over, but it will be difficult for anyone else to beat him, and nearly impossible for anyone other than McCain, Romney or Gingrich.
As far as the media support, money support, etc. -- yes, that is tough for a very conservative Presidential candidate to get, but Reagan did. Of course the process isn't fair. Of course the media is biased. Of course there are fat cats who finance candidates for less-than-honorable reasons. So what? We all have to deal with it, because most people do not care that the MSM is a biased group of hacks and there is nothing we can do to change it.
We did run that SOB Rather off CBS. That's something.
EV, correct me if I'm wrong, but you have claimed (on this thread or elsewhere)
A) to have turned down a job that Karl Rove offered you.
B) to have worked for "Dr. Keyes"; noted political loser
C) quoted from him extensively in this thread, while using him as an example of how a conservative should run a campaign.
D) and spammed the thread with insults and childish pictures.
You are simply a bullshiite artist, and not a very stylish one @ that. But please continue to hold forth on politics--your ill-informed comedy show is quite entertaining.
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