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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: Unmarked Package
I truly appreciate that detailed reply with the links showing Romney's positions.

Freepers are the greatest people!

421 posted on 02/18/2007 7:04:11 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Clemenza

I don't care how he is called in Tel Aviv. I care about the fact that he is going to kick Arab asses, and bomb Iran back to the stone age.

Shinui is not a bad party, but it has been decimated as of late. I still prefer Likud.


422 posted on 02/18/2007 7:06:04 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Jim Robinson

My personal opinion,seems everybody has one,and I'm not as well versed or educated as some of you are,is here in Alabama,(South Central)people make up their minds pretty quick and a fella like Rudy (can't spell his last name yet)might get some talk for awhile,but in the end,he'll lose favor because of his stances,if he changes them that's even worse,,,we don't trust people who placate and patronize.We don't care if someone changes (sometimes it's good) ,people here don't like ,if I can be PI,liars.I could be wrong,I believe these folks would go with Hunter.You can't mess with their babies,guns,GOD,families,,ect..And a fella from NYC,who maybe did the city good,would get looked at awful hard in this country..


423 posted on 02/18/2007 7:08:39 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: LtdGovt; rmlew; Cacique; Alouette
My problem with the Likud Party (from whom Rudy enjoys plagiarizing speeches) is the same problem I have with the BJP in India. They talk tough superficially, but have NOTHING to back it up and are as incompetant as the leftist opposition.

And no, I have ZERO respect for Netanyahu the younger. The man gives a great speech but has sh-t administrative skills. His father, however, was one hell of a historian.

424 posted on 02/18/2007 7:08:53 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: jwalsh07

No. Not a Messiah. And far from perfect.

But almost every Republican and other mainstream citizens who lived in NYC, pre and during Giuliani, know that the Liberal label is crap and that he is uniquely a political leader who makes a positive difference and impresses with real achievements and not just pandering words to the gullible.

The next President will deal with Earth shaking issues and the best we can hope for is that those challenges are met by a proven leader who faced the impossible, rose to the task and was more triumphant that anyone could have expected. Notwithstanding 9/11.


425 posted on 02/18/2007 7:09:29 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: LtdGovt; rmlew; Cacique; Alouette
My problem with the Likud Party (from whom Rudy enjoys plagiarizing speeches) is the same problem I have with the BJP in India. They talk tough superficially, but have NOTHING to back it up and are as incompetant as the leftist alternative.

And no, I have ZERO respect for Netanyahu the younger. The man gives a great speech but has sh-t administrative skills. His father, however, was one hell of a historian.

426 posted on 02/18/2007 7:09:36 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: streetpreacher

Newt can't elected state-wide in Georgia. He won't run for president.


427 posted on 02/18/2007 7:11:58 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Clemenza

Uhm, I don't think so. If you look who's incompetent, it's Olmert and that Arab Peretz. Sharon did a much better job IMO. And administrative skills aren't that important, it's important to have enough courage to send bombers to Iraq.

As for the point you keep repeating: when did Rudy ever steal a Likud-speech?


428 posted on 02/18/2007 7:12:43 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: streetpreacher

"Rudy is ever bit the authoritarian and statist as Hillary except he would be more effective."

I have to disagree with you there. I think Rudy loves America but he does not love the unborn enough to stand up for them.

Hillary and her friends OTOH revel in the infant holocaust--such as the MS Magazine 'proud to have had an abortion' recent campaign. And Hillary actively seeks to destroy America while Rudy doesn't.


429 posted on 02/18/2007 7:13:52 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Jim Robinson; calcowgirl; Czar

Whoah!!! What a radical you turned out to be!!! I like it!!!


430 posted on 02/18/2007 7:15:13 PM PST by SierraWasp (Get the Recall petition papers ready for signing up to Recall Arnold in the Feb. 2008 Primary!!!)
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To: LtdGovt; Torie; rmlew; Cacique
I once saw him give a speech at a convention. The words sounded very familiar. They could have been taken verbatim from Fighting Terrorism.

Rudy is not an original thinker, nor does he have the intellect or vision to handle the increasing challenges to Unipolarity, nor the "brutal REALISM" that is needed in the mideast and South/Southeast Asia. We don't have a Suharto or Mahatir to keep the local Muzzies in line via the Billy Club and Carrot approach as was the case in the 1970s through early 1990s.

We need a Theodore Roosevelt attitude and vision, with a Kissengerian/Macchiavellian intellect, not a tougher version of the neoWilsonianism currently pushed by Bush, Giuliani, and the Weekly Standard.

431 posted on 02/18/2007 7:19:38 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: Clemenza

Okay, I'll bite...who do you have in mind?


432 posted on 02/18/2007 7:20:44 PM PST by jonathanmo
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To: Clemenza

Kissinger is an evil man, I won't put up with any of that. And I don't recognize any Wilson/Bushism in Rudy Giuliani, unfortunately. He doesn't seem committed to spreading democracy, even though he pays lip-service to the President's policies. That's a shame.


433 posted on 02/18/2007 7:22:10 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt; Spiff
50 million dead, you claim. Is America an evil country, worse than Nazi Germany?



Fair question Spiff. Do you think America is worse then Nazi Germany? If we elect Rudy are we an evil country deserving destruction? Will you leave the US?
434 posted on 02/18/2007 7:22:59 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: zarf
"...and made to eat burnt Brussels sprouts."

C'mon, zarf! That's toxic and you know it!!! (even non-burnt ones are toxic! Them sprouts are supposed ta be plowed back under immediately fer fertilizer!!!)

435 posted on 02/18/2007 7:26:10 PM PST by SierraWasp (Get the Recall petition papers ready for signing up to Recall Arnold in the Feb. 2008 Primary!!!)
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To: jonathanmo

Gingrich comes fairly close, but has alot of baggage. I would love to see whoever comes to power hire someone like Fareed Zakaria at the NSA, balanced out by someone with a strong knowledge of military operations and counter insurgency at Defense (Franks? Sam Johnson maybe?). No more neo-Wilsonians like Wolfowitz or Rice.


436 posted on 02/18/2007 7:29:01 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: Al Simmons

Hey! That's none a yer business!! It's a secret ballot!!! (grin)


437 posted on 02/18/2007 7:29:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (Get the Recall petition papers ready for signing up to Recall Arnold in the Feb. 2008 Primary!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

You're becoming hysterical!!! Take a valium and live a little!!!


438 posted on 02/18/2007 7:31:24 PM PST by SierraWasp (Get the Recall petition papers ready for signing up to Recall Arnold in the Feb. 2008 Primary!!!)
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To: jla; Jim Robinson; All
It is equally likely that the following projected consequence of a clinton deux will prove to be controlling in November 2008....

439 posted on 02/18/2007 7:32:32 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Clemenza

I've been a Gingrich guy for years, but I think his time is passed...I think the 2008 election is going to be a loser for Republicans...but we need a strong VP candidate... the Republican "farm team" stinks...it's time to start recruiting...


440 posted on 02/18/2007 7:34:20 PM PST by jonathanmo
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