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Global warming sees polar bears stranded on melting ice
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | Feb 1, 2007 | BILL MOULAND

Posted on 02/02/2007 9:50:11 AM PST by ml/nj

They cling precariously to the top of what is left of the ice floe, their fragile grip the perfect symbol of the tragedy of global warming.

Captured on film by Canadian environmentalists, the pair of polar bears look stranded on chunks of broken ice.

Although the magnificent creatures are well adapted to the water, and can swim scores of miles to solid land, the distance is getting ever greater as the Arctic ice diminishes.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bear; climatechange; environment; global; globalwarming; polar; warming
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To: mountn man
How many ice flows start because of melting ice?

Probably none.


Do ice flows ever start without melting ice?

Of course.

Google icebergs and hunt around. Icebergs are formed from glacier flows and other ice already on the ground that gets compressed and squeezed out by additional ice and snow accumulation. At first the ice may form a shelf and then eventually break under the force of its accumulating weight. Icebergs are not formed by rain, except rain that might freeze on contact with existing ground ice, and so become more ground ice. Ice floating to lower latitude is NOT an indication of warming. Duh!

ML/NJ

41 posted on 02/02/2007 10:29:46 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: LibWhacker

We just need to put the wackos on those ice flows and let them float till global warming works its magic


42 posted on 02/02/2007 10:33:19 AM PST by hdstmf
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To: LiberalGunNut
I have a question. How can anyone believe we can dump pounds and pounds of carbon monoxide and god knows what into the atmosphere without ANY negative effect? Even if you dont believe in global warming you must admit that pollution is a BAD thing right?

First of all, the gas in question is not carbon monoxide (a very dangerous and harmful gas) but carbon dioxide, a generally beneficial gas which is actually plant food, and a relatively weak greenhouse gas.

It probably IS a good idea to look for ways to reduce CO2 emissions, but it is not the crisis that the wacko environmentalist/worldsocialists want you to believe it is.
43 posted on 02/02/2007 10:34:22 AM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: John Semmens
If it were getting cooler the ice wouldn't break off as much or maybe the pieces would be bigger or maybe there wouldn't be so much open water and the ice would reattach to other pieces before it could drift out to sea.

You're wrong. See my post at #49 and Google icebergs, as I suggest there.

ML/NJ

44 posted on 02/02/2007 10:34:33 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: cpdiii

They also pounce on seals that try crawl up on the ice to sun themselves. Sometimes you can spot a bear floating around in open sea on his back eating a seal, miles from any ice, using his belly as a table. Those bears are just as comfortable in the water as they are on land. They can take a nap while floating around too.
The BS about them 'getting tired from swimming too far' is pure propaganda used to generate donations from people in California that don't know any better.


45 posted on 02/02/2007 10:34:37 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Paloma_55

because it wouldn't dovetail with the plan to bring one world government. I finally get it. Can't you see we no longer will be able to have different nation states with planet killers like Global Warming and Nuke Proliferation? Too risky for the whole politic. Therefore we need to get people used to one world government. Global warming can't be solved without it. Nuke prolif can't be solved without it. Right?

/semi-sarc


46 posted on 02/02/2007 10:35:43 AM PST by kinghorse (calls them like I sees them)
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To: ml/nj
Global warming sees polar bears stranded on melting ice

Uh, polar bears swim. They can go wherever they want to. And they did just fine during the last period of global warming and loss of Arctic ice.
47 posted on 02/02/2007 10:36:54 AM PST by aruanan
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To: cripplecreek

"Never mind the fact that polar bears are commonly spotted in the open ocean hundreds of miles from dry land."

I thought they were a nuisance becuase they would overrun towns looking for food to eat.


48 posted on 02/02/2007 10:37:14 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: LiberalGunNut

Is there an impact? yes.

Might there be something _else_ going on that also causes an impact? yes.

Might natural causes be responsible for most of the warming - a mere degree or two per century - being observed? yes.

The GW crowd says nothing about natural causes, like the sun's increased output (which is also warming other _planets_). Long-term cyclical data is largely ignored. A slight change is observed, and somehow it's suddenly all our fault and doomsday is coming.

Go back to the lead story, particularly the associated photo. The implication is "global warming is causing huge increases in temperature". No, GW accounts for a degree or two over a _century_ - nowhere near enough to account for the massive changes implied or decried by the hysterical GW evangelicals. Such changes have happened in both directions long before man showed up, much less started dumping stuff in the air.

Ironically, pollution might actually be helping by reflecting solar heat before hitting ground. Ya ever think that maybe man's activities may be _slowing_ natural warming?


49 posted on 02/02/2007 10:38:27 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Nathan Zachary
The whole story can be summed up in one sentence.

the pair of polar bears look stranded on chunks of broken ice.


The simple reality is that the bears in that picture are in their natural environment.
50 posted on 02/02/2007 10:38:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Does the photographer explain what geographic features are immediately to the right of the ice the bears are frollicking on?


51 posted on 02/02/2007 10:39:39 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: AaronInCarolina

Worth repeating.

CO2 is _plant_food_.

And plants don't grow well when covered with ice.

The term "greenhouse gasses" uses the word "greenhouse" - a hot, humid place where flora (and, where permitted & by extention, fauna) flourish.

I don't see where TEOTWAWKI fits into this GW "problem".


52 posted on 02/02/2007 10:42:07 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Good question. Cropping is suspicious.


53 posted on 02/02/2007 10:42:54 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Kirkwood
I thought they were a nuisance becuase they would overrun towns looking for food to eat.

If they live in close proximity to humans they become a nuisance like pretty much all bears.
54 posted on 02/02/2007 10:43:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: ml/nj

55 posted on 02/02/2007 10:43:48 AM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: listenhillary

I knew someone who lived thru Mao's "forced marches". Not pleasant. She's glad to be in the USA.


56 posted on 02/02/2007 10:44:10 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: cripplecreek

That is funny!


57 posted on 02/02/2007 10:45:27 AM PST by Redcitizen (My other OmniMech is a Masakari)
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To: LiberalGunNut
"How can anyone believe we can dump pounds and pounds of carbon monoxide and god knows what into the atmosphere without ANY negative effect?"

By looking at the data. The warmest decade this century occured during the 1930's, after that, and with a 24% increase of CO2 over the industrial boom era, temperatures actually cooled. The 20th century ended cooler than it started, the arctic ice fields show a net GAIN in total area, as to teh glaciers in greenland, and the ice cap at the south pole. ALL show a net GAIN in mass/ area.

58 posted on 02/02/2007 10:47:32 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Paloma_55

Because someone might point out that the change in C02 follows the change in temperature, it doesn't precede it.


59 posted on 02/02/2007 10:48:37 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: ml/nj
...the pair of polar bears look stranded on chunks of broken ice.

Bull, they look like they've just found a high point, in a flat land/seascape, which affords them a good view.

Polar bears are among the strongest swimmers of all land animals, and swim huge distances, in freezing water, frequently.

60 posted on 02/02/2007 10:51:38 AM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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