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1 posted on 12/16/2006 4:59:57 AM PST by Hadean
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Good. More buckling down on lawbreakers will help!
I never thought this was fair for those who are citizens of the US.

They say you can't deport 12 million illegals (or whatever the estimate is now), but if you continue to remove the reasons they are staying/coming to the US illegally, seems logical that many of them will go home or somewhere else (yoohoo, Canada?!) because they can't find work, places to live, free medical care, free food stamps, etc. here any more.


2 posted on 12/16/2006 5:04:05 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX (Bible Thumper and Proud!))
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"It's unconscionable to punish children for the sins of their parents," said State Sen. Sam Zamarripa, D-Atlanta

Yeah, how dare you punish kids whose parents were in the state legally.

Money you spend on illegal aliens is money you can't spend on those individuals who (and whose parents) follow the rules and behave according to the law.
3 posted on 12/16/2006 5:12:48 AM PST by Lucky Dog
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I didn't even know colleges and universities give out tuition to illegals.

Sheesh!

I wonder what endeavor to improve mankind they "studied?"


4 posted on 12/16/2006 5:14:22 AM PST by SkyPilot
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Wait a minute, isn't that,...well,..."illegal"?

What about their "feelings"? Their "self-esteem"?

Pretty soon, they'll be trying to stop Islamofascists from nuking NYC and other extreme things like that. I hope CAIR doesn't hear about this. They need more trained pilots.

Do I need a sarcasm alert here?


5 posted on 12/16/2006 5:15:38 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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If you are going to give in state tuition rates to illegals, then you should give them to everyone, no matter what state they are from.

Why should a student from Maryland ,going to school in Atlanta pay a higher tuition rate than an illegal from Guatamala? That doesnt even make sense.


7 posted on 12/16/2006 5:19:15 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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This treats a symptom, not a cause.

If someone is raised in the US as an American, *and* they have lived in a particular State all their lives, *and* they have good grades, *and* the only thing keeping them from fully integrating as a contributing member of our society is their citizenship status, well HELL, fast-track those kids to become US citizens!

It is utter nonsense to keep hard-working, successful people *out* of the US or to keep them from education or employment that benefits us all. Just as it is utter nonsense to force such people to spend the ten or twenty of the most productive years of their lives having to fight to get citizenship, so that they will only finally become citizens just in time to retire.

And don't even tell me that by keeping out an ethnic Mexican but otherwise totally American kid from being trained as an architect, it will suddenly make the offspring of Kid Rock and Pamela Anderson a brilliant research scientist in his place.

Now don't get me wrong. I strongly believe that States shouldn't give illegals in-State tuition. What I do believe is if the kids are Americanized in all other ways, they *should* get fast-tracked to citizenship ASAP, without their having to leave the US to do so.

I know several "illegal" kids who came to the US as infants, know nothing of Mexico and know no one in Mexico, don't speak Spanish very well, have gotten good grades in high school and want to go to college. They are Americans in every sense of the word but one--citizenship.

It is as utterly ridiculous to demand that they go to Mexico to get their US citizenship in ten years, as it would be to demand the same thing of some white kid whose family name is Smith. And anyone who has kids here should feel the same. No way in heck would they send their kids off to live in a foreign country for ten or twenty years just because they don't have a piece of paper.


8 posted on 12/16/2006 5:24:20 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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Well now, ain't that just fine. Why the H%ll were they giving them tuition breaks in the first place. They must smell the alums breathing down their backsides.


10 posted on 12/16/2006 5:26:51 AM PST by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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Thank goodness Georgia has the sense to call an illegal an illegal.


12 posted on 12/16/2006 5:37:42 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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"Ten states offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants, according to the National Council of La Raza. Many of those states have faced lawsuits from U.S. citizens paying out-of-state tuition rates."



That's a good reason to sue. Why should citizens be discriminated against vis a vis foreigners? It's unconstitutional. Violation of the equal protection clause.


15 posted on 12/16/2006 5:46:25 AM PST by Brilliant
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Wait a minute.
How is an illegal without a college education going to
'do the jobs Americans won't do'?


17 posted on 12/16/2006 5:54:52 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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Now, if only Texas would wise up as well. Totally disgusting illegals get freebies and take our kids' desks.


18 posted on 12/16/2006 6:11:37 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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"It's unconscionable to punish children for the sins of their parents,"



But it's perfectly ok to punish the state taxpayers, right?

What a tule.


20 posted on 12/16/2006 6:13:52 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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"It's unconscionable to punish children for the sins of their parents," said State Sen. Sam Zamarripa, D-Atlanta, who fought against the immigration laws. "This initiative is essentially going after kids that are more Georgian than anybody who has moved here in the past five years. They like boiled peanuts. They like southern rock. They like the Braves."

What's unconscionable is to tempt even more parents to sin because of the payoff: to have their kids given an advantage denied to the children of legal citizens of other states who didn't break the law.

Government gets more of what it subsidizes. If it subsidizes single parent families and it gets more single parent families. If it subsidizes sloth and inefficiency, it gets more sloth and inefficiency. If it subsidizes illegal immigration, it gets--guess what?--that's right: more illegal immigration.

22 posted on 12/16/2006 6:27:30 AM PST by JCEccles
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..."It's unconscionable to punish children for the sins of their parents," said State Sen. Sam Zamarripa, D-Atlanta

Come on now Mr. ZAMARRIPA! You know full well that this in-state vs. out-of-state tuitiion thing is merely the incremental erosion of law that you liberals have practiced for decades. The illegals don't give a whit's damn about reducing the tuition. What they are really after is designation as a resident via in-state status, thereby becoming elligible to qualify for Georgia's Hope Scholarship program, something which will provide them completely free college education. This, my friend, directly affects other Georgia citizens and is something for which other Georgians like me will not stand

29 posted on 12/16/2006 7:14:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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It means students who have high grades but are in the country illegally will have to pay the much higher out-of-state tuition rates rather than being allowed to pay in-state tuition.

Perhaps groups like MALDEF and LULAC could raise some money and give out scholarships.

But others say the change will only hurt communities where high school drop out rates are high and college attendance rates are paltry at best.

It is unclear how many students will be affected...

Apparently, it won't affect very many.

42 posted on 12/16/2006 8:04:20 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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44 posted on 12/16/2006 8:14:19 AM PST by gubamyster
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The policy shift also wards off any potential lawsuits that have plagued states like California and New York

They make it sound like it's just a side effect of doing the right thing, but fear of a lawsuit is just about the only real reason.

52 posted on 12/16/2006 9:05:29 AM PST by delacoert
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Wow! some common sense.


57 posted on 12/16/2006 9:34:22 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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WTF? Why doesn't the law apply to *all* illegal students instead of just the "high-performing" ones? What is the purpose of targeting illegals with high grades? This makes no sense at all.


64 posted on 12/16/2006 11:07:24 AM PST by Sandy
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they shouldnt' subsidize the tuition of in state students, that is the root of the problem...


66 posted on 12/16/2006 11:58:57 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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