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Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found
Associated Press (excerpt) ^ | December 6, 2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 4:29:58 PM PST by HAL9000

Excerpt -

ROME (AP) - Vatican archaeologists have unearthed a sarcophagus believed to contain the remains of the Apostle Paul that had been buried beneath Rome's second largest basilica.

The sarcophagus, which dates back to at least A.D. 390, has been the subject of an extended excavation that began in 2002 and was completed last month, the project's head said this week.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apostle; apostlepaul; archaeology; catholic; christianity; godsgravesglyphs; paul; relics; rome; saintpaul; stpaul; vatican
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To: adiaireton8
Luke 1:46-47 is fairly clear though there is much, much less text devoted to Mary than David in the Bible as you probably well know.

Mary rejoices in God her Savior. She acknowledges that she needed to be saved from sin.

121 posted on 12/06/2006 8:48:34 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
I am not asking you whether she had a Savior; even babies have a Savior in Christ. I am asking you how you know she committed sins.

-A8

122 posted on 12/06/2006 8:51:01 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: SuziQ
Apostles knew her personally, and the youngest one took her in as his Mother when Jesus died, I will defer to THEIR teachings on the matter

That is always a good practice but if you're going to be honest about that you will have to acknowledge that they did not teach that Mary was sinless or was assumed into Heaven.

123 posted on 12/06/2006 8:51:18 PM PST by what's up
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To: adiaireton8
I am asking you how you know she committed sins

What did she need to be saved from if she did not commit sins?

124 posted on 12/06/2006 8:52:11 PM PST by what's up
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To: paulat
[ No, hosepipe...it is a Catholic belief that Mary ascended into Heaven, just like her Son. ]

I know.. I just wanted somebody(else) to say it so the lurkers could consider the ramifications of it..

125 posted on 12/06/2006 8:57:01 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: hosepipe

;)


126 posted on 12/06/2006 8:59:58 PM PST by paulat (about)
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To: what's up
What did she need to be saved from if she did not commit sins?

According to Catholic belief...Mary did not carry the burden of Original Sin...the burden that the rest of humanity carries.

In Catholicism, she is considered to be the only pure human being ever.

127 posted on 12/06/2006 9:02:08 PM PST by paulat (about)
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To: HAL9000
I doubt its Paul, but if so, whats the big deal. If they found the burial site og Jodeph of Arimathea, then I would do a Holy Grail handstand!

OOOOOoops , I forgot that the grail lineage is not PC! ( sarc). Why elese would they be derching for the bones but to have a new novel? Its perfect, the bones glowin the dark as several sleuths conive to steal the bones, trace their keepers of ancient lineage, and read to secret codex of the lost epistle of Paul, that was kept secret but for initiates of the Order of the Glowing Sarcophagous?

Oh the propaganda that men decompose!

128 posted on 12/06/2006 9:04:53 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: paulat
I'm aware of Catholic teaching.

But Mary herself claims that she needed a Savior (as every human being other than Christ does).

129 posted on 12/06/2006 9:05:43 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
But Mary herself claims that she needed a Savior (as every human being other than Christ does).

Mary was a Jew...of COURSE she wanted a Messiah.

130 posted on 12/06/2006 9:09:01 PM PST by paulat (about)
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To: paulat
In Catholicism, she is considered to be the only pure human being ever.

No. Catholicism teaches that Jesus Christ was a pure (i.e. sinless) human being, and that Mary's sinlessness was due to Christ.

-A8

131 posted on 12/06/2006 9:09:32 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
No. Catholicism teaches that Jesus Christ was a pure (i.e. sinless) human being, and that Mary's sinlessness was due to Christ.

A Jesuetical fine point I will grant.

132 posted on 12/06/2006 9:11:15 PM PST by paulat (about)
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To: HAL9000; theothercheek; kiriath_jearim; Gadfly-At-Large; pryncessraych; aroostook war; TheRake; ...

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If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



Here is a chance to gently refute the anti-Catholic lies that surround us.


133 posted on 12/06/2006 9:13:10 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: paulat

"...it is a Catholic belief that Mary ascended into Heaven, just like her Son."

Actually it is the belief of both Orthodox and Catholic Christians that Mary WAS ASSUMED into heaven.
She did not ascend like her Son.


134 posted on 12/06/2006 9:25:18 PM PST by rogator
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To: rogator
Please don't be a jerk...I CLEARLY named the Feast of the Assumption....

No, hosepipe...it is a Catholic belief that Mary ascended into Heaven, just like her Son. The belief is that she was the only totally pure human being.

The Catholic church celebrates the Feast of the Assumption.

Google has a lot of information

135 posted on 12/06/2006 9:31:27 PM PST by paulat (about)
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To: indcons; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks indcons. It does, but it's just shown up as a different topic, so no ping, alas.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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136 posted on 12/06/2006 9:52:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: HAL9000

alas... although you did use AP instead of Pravda (six of one...):

Vatican archaeologists unearth St. Paul's tomb
Pravda | December 6, 2006
Posted on 12/06/2006 9:18:21 AM EST by NYer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1749237/posts


137 posted on 12/06/2006 9:54:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: what's up
That is always a good practice but if you're going to be honest about that you will have to acknowledge that they did not teach that Mary was sinless or was assumed into Heaven.

How else would that tradition have started? BTW Mary's home in Ephesus is still an honored site, even by the Muslims who live there, who honor Mary as the mother of Jesus.

138 posted on 12/06/2006 9:55:31 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: quark

well anyway I like it


139 posted on 12/06/2006 9:56:52 PM PST by woofie (This area deemed a failure, Something new and witty will no doubt emerge)
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To: rogator

what is the difference between "assumed" (taken up) and ascention? (moving upward)


140 posted on 12/06/2006 9:59:53 PM PST by bonfire
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