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Home Schools Run By Well-Meaning Amateurs
NEA ^ | By Dave Arnold

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by meandog

Schools With Good Teachers Are Best-Suited to Shape Young Minds

There's nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Certain jobs are best left to the pros, such as, formal education.

There are few homeowners who can tackle every aspect of home repair. A few of us might know carpentry, plumbing and, let’s say, cementing. Others may know about electrical work, tiling and roofing. But hardly anyone can do it all.

Same goes for cars. Not many people have the skills and knowledge to perform all repairs on the family car. Even if they do, they probably don’t own the proper tools. Heck, some people have their hands full just knowing how to drive.

So, why would some parents assume they know enough about every academic subject to home-school their children? You would think that they might leave this -- the shaping of their children’s minds, careers, and futures -- to trained professionals. That is, to those who have worked steadily at their profession for 10, 20, 30 years! Teachers!

Experienced Pros

There’s nothing like having the right person with the right experience, skills and tools to accomplish a specific task. Whether it is window-washing, bricklaying or designing a space station. Certain jobs are best left to the pros. Formal education is one of those jobs.

Of course there are circumstances that might make it necessary for parents to teach their children at home. For example, if the child is severely handicapped and cannot be transported safely to a school, or is bedridden with a serious disease, or lives in such a remote area that attending a public school is near impossible.

Well-Meaning Amateurs

The number of parents who could easily send their children to public school but opt for home-schooling instead is on the increase. Several organizations have popped up on the Web to serve these wannabe teachers. These organizations are even running ads on prime time television. After viewing one advertisement, I searched a home school Web site. This site contains some statements that REALLY irritate me!

“It’s not as difficult as it looks.”

The “it” is meant to be “teaching.” Let’s face it, teaching children is difficult even for experienced professionals. Wannabes have no idea.

“What about socialization? Forget about it!”

Forget about interacting with others? Are they nuts? Socialization is an important component of getting along in life. You cannot teach it. Children should have the opportunity to interact with others their own age. Without allowing their children to mingle, trade ideas and thoughts with others, these parents are creating social misfits.

If this Web site encouraged home-schooled children to join after-school clubs at the local school, or participate in sports or other community activities, then I might feel different. Maine state laws, for example, require local school districts to allow home-schooled students to participate in their athletic programs. For this Web site to declare, “forget about it,” is bad advice.

When I worked for Wal-Mart more than 20 years ago, Sam Walton once told me: “I can teach Wal-Mart associates how to use a computer, calculator, and how to operate like retailers. But I can’t teach them how to be a teammate when they have never been part of any team.”

“Visit our online bookstore.”

Buying a history, science or math book does not mean an adult can automatically instruct others about the book’s content.

Gullible Parents

Another Web site asks for donations and posts newspaper articles pertaining to problems occurring in public schools.

It’s obvious to me that these organizations are in it for the money. They are involved in the education of children mostly in the hope of profiting at the hands of well-meaning but gullible parents.

This includes parents who home-school their children for reasons that may be linked to religious convictions. One Web site that I visited stated that the best way to combat our nation’s “ungodly” public schools was to remove students from them and teach them at home or at a Christian school.

I’m certainly not opposed to religious schools, or to anyone standing up for what they believe in. I admire anyone who has the strength to stand up against the majority. But in this case, pulling children out of a school is not the best way to fight the laws that govern our education system. No battle has ever been won by retreating!

No Training

Don’t most parents have a tough enough job teaching their children social, disciplinary and behavioral skills? They would be wise to help their children and themselves by leaving the responsibility of teaching math, science, art, writing, history, geography and other subjects to those who are knowledgeable, trained and motivated to do the best job possible.

(Dave Arnold, a member of the Illinois Education Association, is head custodian at Brownstown Elementary School in Southern Illinois.)


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To: meandog

"...are the most arrogant lots you'll ever find, in always knowing what's best in educating their children, and in the end do their kids a disservice."

You just described every public school teacher my daughter has had. It's just one of the reasons she will never attend another public school.


141 posted on 11/27/2006 8:00:17 AM PST by moehoward
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To: meandog
Schools With Good Teachers Are Best-Suited to Shape Young Minds

Exactly! And that is why we have to break the NEA monopoly!

142 posted on 11/27/2006 8:00:32 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: meandog
Schools With Good Teachers Are Best-Suited to Shape Young Minds

Exactly! And that is why we have to break the NEA monopoly!

143 posted on 11/27/2006 8:00:33 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: meandog
Actually, there ARE homeschool parents who are former teachers and they set up classes for other home schooled children. I was home schooled, and there was one former English teacher who had an English class, which many of my friends went to, there was a former art teacher, she had a class as well, and there were a few others.

So it DOES happen, not all home schoolers think that anyone else teaching their children is bad/dangerous/whatever.
I have seen some parents who do stupid things with their children (keeping their social activities limited, even some who thought that they shouldn't FORCE their children to learn ANYTHING, they thought the child should choose when and what to learn) but for the most part the other home schooled people that I know are very normal, very, very social, and very smart.

It all depends on the parent.
144 posted on 11/27/2006 8:00:50 AM PST by The Unnamed Chick
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To: shag377

Perhaps your cousin attended public school and therefore was never taught math in a way that stuck with him?

I too struggled mightily with Algebra in H.S.
Years later, I took college Algebra and had a wonderful teacher. I made an A. I worked HARD for that A!


145 posted on 11/27/2006 8:00:59 AM PST by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: AnAmericanMother
You do the arithmetic. I'm too lazy to fire up my HP 41C.

3-4-5 triangles .... 100 miles apart.

146 posted on 11/27/2006 8:01:19 AM PST by RightField
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To: JamesP81; AnAmericanMother
And to answer your math question, pythagorean theorem would be the appropriate method to solving the problem.

Correctomundo...but in my class you would have gotten a zero for cheating by the providing solution when the question wasn't directed to you.

147 posted on 11/27/2006 8:01:59 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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Ping for later.


148 posted on 11/27/2006 8:03:32 AM PST by Shion (Bring Back John Galt)
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To: RightField
3-4-5 triangles .... 100 miles apart.

Impressed! Should have cubed the parameters...dang!

149 posted on 11/27/2006 8:04:02 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: All
Are home schoolers tested on regular basis by State mandated test? Example like Hespas?
150 posted on 11/27/2006 8:04:24 AM PST by exdem2000
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To: meandog
Two automobiles start out in opposite directions. Each go 40 miles; make 90-degree left turns and go 30 miles. How far apart are they?

If they start out in the same place then the answer is a hundred miles (twice a 345 triangle's hypotenuse *10 miles). If they start X miles apart then we get to demonstrate some algebra :0)

151 posted on 11/27/2006 8:04:56 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: meandog; ichabod1
HAVE wondered why parents who homeschool don't automatically band together and specialize, each focusing on a different subject. It would seem that charter schools would naturally flow out of such an arrangement. I'm pretty sure it happens, but it seems like it would be a natural outcome. Now that isn't a bad idea...however, it has been my experience that homeschooling parents have the hubris to believe they can really do it all and their arrogance wouldn't allow someone more qualified to touch their kids' brains--(consequently, when we teachers get their children back they are unprepared and over challenged).

This actually is done a lot. People form co-ops. They take their children to classes in the community. Sometimes the parents will learn something, then teach it to their children.

152 posted on 11/27/2006 8:05:18 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: meandog

I wouldn't know where to start with this: it reads like an informal position paper full of talking points meant to be "mimeographed" and sent to circulate among "the faculty". Even the points he makes about some of the drawbacks of homeschooling, he doesn't even make in quite the right way: he cannot be objective about the possible strengths and weaknesses of both public school ed and homeschooling, because he is only talking about a representative and defender of one of them, public school ed. Socialization is indeed a problem, but not in the way he discusses it: while public school might expose a kid to a long relationship between him and autocratic, impersonal teachers, AND at the same time, bullying, impossible-to-deal-with peers and the social structures of inclusion/exclusion, and hence, get you ready for "real life", the homeschooling environment might tend to foster too sloppy a relationship with the teaching parents, and relationships with parents are fraught with enough complication already. If only Public School teachers had lived up to "in loco parentis"! As another poster put it, "give me HALF of what it costs taxpayers (13K/yr.) to keep a kid in public school, and I will run rings around them". Of course things will never get that far, but indeed, think of what a parent interested in homeschooling could do with that kind of subsidy....first, though, the battle has to be fought for school choice and vouchers,etc.
And of course, one of the reasons homeschooling has not evolved as quickly or as dramatically as it might have is because the parents are doing it on their own, with no outside help from "the taxpayers" (i.e., THEMSELVES, who are already paying for OTHER people's kids in public schools. Nothing will change without revolt---large numbers across the country putting pressure on "lawmakers" to expand the structures of American education, or face the consequences of tax revolt. Who could organize something like this?


153 posted on 11/27/2006 8:05:22 AM PST by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"--Schopenhauer)
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To: meandog
Correctomundo...but in my class you would have gotten a zero for cheating by the providing solution when the question wasn't directed to you.

Don't be a damn child, please. You asked a question, it got an answer. But then again, I guess it demonstrates the usual public screwl mentality of punishing individual achievement and promoting socialism.
154 posted on 11/27/2006 8:06:09 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: shag377

Let me follow the logic here --
P1) Dad went to public school.
P2) After instruction by "trained professionals" this person, that later proved a high baseline intelligence by passing the Bar, could not pull higher than a "C" in algebra.
C) Therefore, his children will be better at Dad in math if they get the same "professional training" that Dad did.

Yep, you're a publik skool teacher alright.

If dad has a weakness in math, that's what live tutors, computer based math courses, and co-ops are for.

He does'nt need an "education major", which from my recollection were the dumbest collection of students on my college campus, to teach his kids algebra.

Who knows? Maybe his kids will beat Dad's "C" after they get proper instruction.


155 posted on 11/27/2006 8:06:47 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: A_perfect_lady
Well, the point of my little rant is that even if the teachers are as great as they could be, it's still a rotten situation to put kids into.

True. I have three immediate family members either teaching or in administration. It seems the bureaucracy is overwhelming. From what I can tell, NCLB has created a system of test taking and test teaching. The test scores are all that matters - gotta keep the money coming. Can't have charter schools - they take away enrollment and funding from the public school.

Public Schools epitomize the worst of liberal government policy.

156 posted on 11/27/2006 8:07:01 AM PST by IamConservative (Any man who agrees with you on everything, also lies to others.)
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To: JamesP81
The real scandal is that public schools and private schools are graduating students who would have trouble reading the English in that math problem.

What percentage of public school graduates will miss... "If you have four students and three pizzas and each student receives an equal share of pizza then what percentage (or fraction) of a pizza does each student receive?

Brentwood Academy is a fairly well-respected private school in the Nashville, Tennessee area. Brentwood graduated a football player who was unable to read basic paragraphs and three months later committed suicide. The timing of the suicide coincided with the start of fall semester. He had lied to friends and family telling them he had a university football scholarship.
157 posted on 11/27/2006 8:07:24 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: caseinpoint

My niece now attends public school (8th grade) after years in private. She is lumped into classes with slower students and is WAY ahead of her class in math. The teacher has my niece spending her time in math class going around helping the other students! She SHOULD be in honors math or 9th or 10th grade math. I don't even know if her school has an honors program. Back in the day, our classes were divided into 3 levels. Smart kids weren't stuck in math or reading classes with slow kids. You were allowed to progress if you showed potential.


158 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:02 AM PST by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: MissMagnolia

"This NEA jerk just did to homeschooling parents what Kerry did to the military with his recent remarks ......"

I was homeschooled, and I'm in the military. . .

OH NOES!!!!1111one1eleven

I remember when I walked into the USAF recruiter's office, being homeschooled (my parents couldn't afford an acredited program, so we just used the books and I got a GED) made me a high-school dropout. It's amazing what a difference 72 credits of college makes for. I acquired the first 20 credits of that college during the last few years of being homeschooled.


159 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:17 AM PST by Ecthelion
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To: Muzzle_em
9TH grade in the public schools- I had 2 classes taught by coaches. One was world history. The coach would show up 15 mintues late EVERY DAY, would B.S. for another 20-30 minutes, might answer some questions, then would give a reading assignment and leave again. He was black and had several black girls who were his favorites and he would have them create the test weekly (NO LIE). Needless to say, ALL the blacks in that class scored 100 on EVERY test! The other class taught by a coach was science. He was white. He too would show up late daily. 3 days a week, we were treated to a film, usually about sports. I don't recall EVER having a test in that class! I had an A in the class and don't think I ever opened my book. I don't think I even brought my book to class. A friend and I usually read trashy romance novels during that class or did homework for other classes.

Then the problem was the teachers...your parents should have gone to the school board (few ever do) and demanded that they be reprimanded and, if that didn't work, fired!

160 posted on 11/27/2006 8:08:54 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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