Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."

"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.

Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.

Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.

"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.

The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.

Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.

A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.

Why would Paul need to announce his authority and credentials to his closest disciple, the one that he had circumcised in Acts 16:3 ?

Dang... I don't know. Perhaps because the 'letters' were to be passed around to ALL the churches; just not the ones he sent them to?

What false doctrines? And how long had they've been teaching it?

Dang... I don't know. Perhaps the things that were NOT what was the same as...

NIV 1 Corinthians 11:23
23. For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:1
   Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:3
   For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

NIV 2 Corinthians 11:4
   For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

NIV Galatians 1:12
   I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

NIV 1 Thessalonians 2:13
   And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe.

NIV 2 Thessalonians 3:6
   In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.

Good luck.

If I were lucky in this endeavor, that would indeed be good. It would mean that Republicans will have stopped trying to do bad things--discredit science itself and undermine science education--and we will reap two immediate benefits. One, bad things will have been averted. Two, blame for the actual doing of bad things--if not for having attempted them--will have been dodged.

Now, if the recent rate of banning of evos is any indication, FR is going your way big time. This is true even as, despite the rolling in of the monthlies and the phoney-sounding exhortations of the Long Tall Moonie, the Freepathon crawls along as no Freepathon has ever, ever crawled before. This is true even as the Republican lemming herd is making a beeline for the Cliffs of November.

You and rest of the antiscience ping lists can have quite a party after you're finished "winning." Doesn't bother me that I don't figure to be around for it.

I am still trying to determine how/when the reconciliation of the (minimum of) two versions of the Ten Commandments was completed.

these two??

Exodus 20

1. And God spoke all these words:
2. "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3. "You shall have no other gods before me.
4. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
5. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
6. but showing love to a thousand [ generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7. "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
8. "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
9. Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
11. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12. "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
13. "You shall not murder.
14. "You shall not commit adultery.
15. "You shall not steal.
16. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
17. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

Deuteronomy 5

1. Moses summoned all Israel and said: Hear, O Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them.
2. The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Horeb.
3. It was not with our fathers that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.
4. The LORD spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain.
5. (At that time I stood between the LORD and you to declare to you the word of the LORD, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:
6. "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7. "You shall have no other gods before me.
8. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
9. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
10. but showing love to a thousand [ generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
11. "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
12. "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.
13. Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
14. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do.
15. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
16. "Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
17. "You shall not murder.
18. "You shall not commit adultery.
19. "You shall not steal.
20. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
21. "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor's house or land, his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."
22. These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

His talks in public on the subject are amazing and full of common sense.

I was just SURE he died!!!

OBITUARIES

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who had been with us for many years.

No one knew for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
Why the early bird gets the worm;
Life isn't always fair; and
Maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6 year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer Calpol, sun lotion or a band-aid to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 3 stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else Is To Blame, and I'm A Victim. Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.

It's chaos.

No. It's only the appearance of chaos. Were it chaos it would be unintelligible.

Rational observation and experimentation.

Not only does this beg the question, but science still does not know for certain whether strikes of lightning are due to angry gods. Science does not know the cause of gravity either. Are you spooked yet?

I capitalize because that's the name of the movement as coined by its originators . . .

Do you really think Phillip Johnson and his followers invented the concept of intelligent design? Are they who you look to in establishing a consensus regarding the cause behind organized matter that performs specific functions? I myself find it rather strange that a bunch of intellectuals have to come up with a movement as if to promote what is obvious to common sense and has been since the beginning.

You haven't shown such a case.

Sure I have, and so have you. Each time you post you are creating organized matter to perform a specific function, or at least arranging it. The creative part has to to with the manner in which you choose to express yourself. Even this is not entirely beyond scientific purview since it is part of objective reality.

No. It is only the appearance of chaos. Smoke behaves in a manner as designed, under laws that have been established to govern it.

Are you using a private definition of chaos, too? From Wikipedia: Chaos:

In mathematics and physics, chaos theory describes the behavior of certain nonlinear dynamical systems that under certain conditions exhibit a phenomenon known as chaos. Among the characteristics of chaotic systems, described below, is the sensitivity to initial conditions (popularly referred to as the butterfly effect). As a result of this sensitivity, the behavior of systems that exhibit chaos appears to be random, exhibiting an exponential error dispersion, even though the system is deterministic in the sense that it is well defined and contains no random parameters. Examples of such systems include the atmosphere, the solar system, plate tectonics, the phosphate starvation signaling pathway in Saccharomyces cerevisiae, turbulent fluids, economics, population growth and the vast variety of thermodynamically open systems operating far from equilibrium.

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