Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
Yes, no one in their right mind wants to return to those days of yesteryear, when , our schools did not teach Godless philosophy and children were pre-Columbine. They are taught now that man is in control, not God. That is a great comfort to grow up with, especially in today's world. All bow down to the great god Reason, because mankind's great compassion, love and intellect is going to save us all.
Because the word "supernatural" is scientifically and objectively arbitrary (i.e. subjective), it is useless except for the purpose of politicizing free inquiry. Personally I attach no value to the word because it, like the word "natural," could apply wholly to all of existence. It is a non-falsifiable qualifier from the get go.
If one wishes to take up the position that "science cannot investigate the supernatural," then let him know he has taken up a philosophy that will color each and every hypothesis as well as the interpretation of the evidence. This position, useful as it may prove both intellectually and practically, is not subject to scientific validation.
Closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "nya nya I can't hear you!" is no way to go through life, son.
What are you saying here? Is calling a stupid and ignorant fundamentalist "stupid and ignorant" a lie simply because they are claim they are Christian?
The answer is that I disagree with your thesis, since it is a strawman. No scientist (nor those of us who understand the fundamentals) believes what you have posited in the way you have said it.
"Marriage" is a legal/legislative invention and subject to the legal/legislative process. And is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
The attempt to legislate the value of Pi was in the 1890's (and failed).
Either way, my point was that the law is not the best method of scientific inquiry.
But is the proper way to ensure religion is not taught in lieu of science. And to do that, it needs to establish what is and isn't science. TToE is. Creationism and ID are not.
sticks and stones will break my bones but name calling is for when you have nothing left to argue, your tater is empty.
Coming in and saying that all people who understand TToE are "evil," "atheistic (although how this is an insult is a discussion in its own right)," "anti-religion/God/Christian,etc." IS ad hominum.
"Stupid" is the anability to process information or the willful desire not to do so. "Ignorant" is the lack of information.
If they accurately describe someone, it is NOT an insult. It is a description.
All it is is one group disagreeing with another's worldview. It used to be called "intolerance" back in the day. It has nothing whatsoever to do with science.
"Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you.
I didn't make your little enemies list?
You must have missed my posts ...
A "worldview" that includes willful ignorance. All the degrees in the world merely mean you are educated not knowledgable.
If your "wordlview" said that angels keep airplanes aloft (which is essentially the same as gainsyaing TToE) and you had a PhD, it wouldn't change the result: willful ignorance is the same as stupidity and ignorance (rolled up into one).
Me neither!! Come On Dave -- go over your permanent list of Those Who Offended Me Or God and find something from us, too!
And it has to be directed at you -- none of that "argument fragrment taken out of context stuff"...
I see we have degenerated into Scripture. And ego-fulfilling Scripture to boot!
Yes, often before setting out on my travels my family and I and our pastor, if he's around, pray the "traveller's psalm". Wonderful psalm
Psa 121:1
[[A Song of degrees.]] I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
Psa 121:2 My help [cometh] from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.
Psa 121:3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
Psa 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
Psa 121:5 The LORD [is] thy keeper: the LORD [is] thy shade upon thy right hand.
Psa 121:6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.
Psa 121:7 The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
Psa 121:8 The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.
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