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UPDATE: Aircraft hit building at 71st and York Ave on East Side of Manhattan
Rush Limbaugh Show ^ | 10/11/06 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/11/2006 11:53:53 AM PDT by Yossarian

Rush reports that a Cessna has been reported as crashing into (at least one) apartment complex in NYC Mannhattan's upper east side - on East 71st Street.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aircraft; burning; charlesbishop; charlesbishra; corylidle; crash; fire; lidle; manhattan; movealong; muzzienutz; newyork; nothingtoseehere; notterrorism; notterrorismrelated; ny; nyc; plane; planecrash; slownewsday
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To: oceanview

If I recall, municipalities cannot make airspace regulations. The airports can create noise abatement departures and approaches. I think a city in New Mexico tried to make changes in the airspace overhead and got slapped down - rightly so - by the FAA.

All that aside, I've just caught up with the latest developments. So, so sad. As a pilot and huge baseball fan, I immensely saddened by this. I wish I knew why he didn't deploy the BRS (ballistic recovery parachute). An article that contained an interview with his flight instructor described him as a conscientious, assertive pilot.

God bless them...


1,661 posted on 10/11/2006 2:51:00 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: RS
"avoid the buildings" ? They actually have to teach this ?

Yes.

1,662 posted on 10/11/2006 2:52:18 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: commonguymd

Who said anything about new laws?

I think what I said about GA pilots has been proven again.

If you think unrestricted VFR over Manhattan is a GOOD idea, then there is nothing for us to talk about.

It would not be "A NEW LAW" to fix that. Holy Crap.

I'll tell you this though, if GA pilots fly like they reason as demonstrated in this thread, then I am for grounding all of you.


1,663 posted on 10/11/2006 2:52:50 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: Pukin Dog

I would submit that there is a segment on Naval aviation that is also randomly stupid. There are no solid professional (or amateur) boundaries on poor judgement. You've probably seen enough twisted metal on carrier decks to know that.


1,664 posted on 10/11/2006 2:53:25 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Arkinsaw

I'm sorry, maybe I missed something? Was the Statue of Liberty hit today? Has it been hit this year? Was it hit in the past decade? By a GA plane?

Maybe I oughta get a television like pukin suggested. I missed that somehow.

Maybe you should take the wheels off your car, because one could fall off someday. Maybe. Perhaps. Long shot, but a slight possibility.... A million to one shot Doc, a million to one..... /s


1,665 posted on 10/11/2006 2:54:37 PM PDT by commonguymd
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To: LeGrande
You need to familiarize yourself with the NTSB records.

I would have to assume you are not familiar with military records? Maybe I should have been more specific.

1,666 posted on 10/11/2006 2:54:39 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: Raebie

75 hours would probably be on the high side of average, which IIRC is in the 50-60 hour range. Legal minimum requirement is 40 hours, with at least 20 of dual instruction and at least 10 solo (the rest can be dual or solo).


1,667 posted on 10/11/2006 2:56:39 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: oceanview

Agreed.

"Must be terrorism" is just as risky as "can't be terrorism".

"Might be", until conclusively proven otherwise, preserves the highest numbers of options.

I'm reasonably satisfied. Minor adjustments to magazine storage locations, one piece of personal gear moved to a new spot, otherwise I covered the whole non-committing portion of the terrorism checklist in under ten minutes, pinged three family members and secured the house, it will get better, faster, and more efficient over time, but most folks don't even HAVE a checklist yet, so ten minutes is satisfactory for now.


1,668 posted on 10/11/2006 2:57:48 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: CarryaBigStick
I would submit that there is a segment on Naval aviation that is also randomly stupid.

Cant argue against that. But, (and this is something the GA's just cant stand) it is a long way to discuss military flight training compared to what your average GA dude gets.

It is more tragic when a mil-pilot blows it, because you can never say they were not taught what to do. Many GA's have no clue how to handle an inflight emergency, even though they are certified as being ready to do just that.

1,669 posted on 10/11/2006 2:58:05 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: clamper1797

Yes, Dornacker was the one, and it happened some 20 years ago. :(


1,670 posted on 10/11/2006 2:58:25 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Pukin Dog
You can't make a coherent point.

If you think unrestricted VFR over Manhattan is a GOOD idea, then there is nothing for us to talk about.

I do, and you have not made a principled argument as to why it is a BAD thing. If you can, please do. Till then, you're just carping along with the nanny-state sissies. Sheesh. lets get rid of trans fats and smoking while we're at it. oh, they already did that.

1,671 posted on 10/11/2006 2:58:29 PM PDT by nj_pilot
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To: Raebie
This article indicates that Lidle got his certificate "last off-season" (article is dated 9/8/2006) and logged about 95 solo hours (whether before or after getting the certificate) up to that date.
1,672 posted on 10/11/2006 2:58:32 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: commonguymd
I'm sorry, maybe I missed something? Was the Statue of Liberty hit today? Has it been hit this year? Was it hit in the past decade? By a GA plane?

Bloomberg stated that the aircraft circled the Statue of Liberty today. It then crashed a short time later. The timing could have been otherwise and your hyperactive looking out for you own interest here is understandable. But aircraft need to stay the hell away from the Statue of Liberty and other important areas. Sorry if that spoils your personal flight experience.
1,673 posted on 10/11/2006 2:59:14 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: nj_pilot

Looks like from the FAA web site that they are confirming that N929CD did infact go down: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=929CD


1,674 posted on 10/11/2006 2:59:48 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: nj_pilot

Speaking slower does not help a stupid question, but I'll answer it anyway. I doubt you could find a single gun law or regulation that I would support. Must I now give you my NRA number, or have we settled that?


1,675 posted on 10/11/2006 2:59:49 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

It doesn't have an ejector seat. What it does have is a ballistic parachute system; the pilot can pull a lever inside the cockpit and a large parachute deploys from the roof area, theoretically letting the plane sink down to a survivable crash landing (and also probably wrecking the airplane, of course). The Cirrus models are, as far as I know, the only mass-produced aircraft to have that. It's designed for situations where the pilot gets the airplane into a spin or other situation where he feels like he can't recover before hitting the ground--or he doesn't know where the ground is.

It's not a cure-all, though. I would expect that the airplane has to be inside a certain envelope of speed and altitude in order for the chute to deploy and stabilize the thing in a descent. Too fast and it'll rip or maybe render the airplane unflyable; too low and it won't fully deploy; at certain bank attitudes it might not work at all. In a situation like this, where the plane went into a building at what looks like a wings-level attitude, he may have been too busy working with an engine failure or fuel problem, stalled it (the "wing dip" being reported), and caught it at too low an altitude to avoid the building.

}:-)4


1,676 posted on 10/11/2006 2:59:54 PM PDT by Moose4 (They caught me white and nerdy.)
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To: nj_pilot

Bo is a complete babbling idiot.


1,677 posted on 10/11/2006 3:00:06 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: areafiftyone
The Cirrus is equipped with a ballistic emergency parachute system that lowers the entire plane to the ground in an appropriate emergency situation. Not enough info to know if it would have worked in this situaion.

If Cory Lidle was at the controls of this plane he was a very low time pilot (he just got his license), and the Cirrus was probably too much plane for him. The old "if I can buy it, I can fly it" syndrome in action...

1,678 posted on 10/11/2006 3:01:56 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Gradient Vector

Personally, I'm really tired of people saying that anyone who is afraid of terrorism is irrational. My family and I go into Manhattan every day, ride the subways, go up in buildings 100 floors high and generally live life as any other NYer does (and now that I think about it I'm reminded that the restaurant that hosted my wedding lunch in the 1990s was incinerated on 9/11).

Just because we occasionally become uneasy when...oh, I don't know, a plane flies off course into a residential building on the Upper East Side, sending burning parts into the streets and setting off a three alarm fire that in turn causes all of 1st and York Avenue to break out into chaos, does not mean we are irrational.


1,679 posted on 10/11/2006 3:02:15 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: nj_pilot

I repeat, if you think unrestricted VFR over Manhatten is a good idea, then we have nothing to talk about.

Therefore, I dont think we need post to each other about it. There is thing thing called "a difference of opinion". I did not ask you to explain your position, but holding it as you do, I seriously doubt that an explaination of my position would sway you.

So, it wont happen. Sorry GA.


1,680 posted on 10/11/2006 3:02:36 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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