Posted on 10/11/2006 11:53:53 AM PDT by Yossarian
Rush reports that a Cessna has been reported as crashing into (at least one) apartment complex in NYC Mannhattan's upper east side - on East 71st Street.
If I recall, municipalities cannot make airspace regulations. The airports can create noise abatement departures and approaches. I think a city in New Mexico tried to make changes in the airspace overhead and got slapped down - rightly so - by the FAA.
All that aside, I've just caught up with the latest developments. So, so sad. As a pilot and huge baseball fan, I immensely saddened by this. I wish I knew why he didn't deploy the BRS (ballistic recovery parachute). An article that contained an interview with his flight instructor described him as a conscientious, assertive pilot.
God bless them...
Yes.
Who said anything about new laws?
I think what I said about GA pilots has been proven again.
If you think unrestricted VFR over Manhattan is a GOOD idea, then there is nothing for us to talk about.
It would not be "A NEW LAW" to fix that. Holy Crap.
I'll tell you this though, if GA pilots fly like they reason as demonstrated in this thread, then I am for grounding all of you.
I would submit that there is a segment on Naval aviation that is also randomly stupid. There are no solid professional (or amateur) boundaries on poor judgement. You've probably seen enough twisted metal on carrier decks to know that.
I'm sorry, maybe I missed something? Was the Statue of Liberty hit today? Has it been hit this year? Was it hit in the past decade? By a GA plane?
Maybe I oughta get a television like pukin suggested. I missed that somehow.
Maybe you should take the wheels off your car, because one could fall off someday. Maybe. Perhaps. Long shot, but a slight possibility.... A million to one shot Doc, a million to one..... /s
I would have to assume you are not familiar with military records? Maybe I should have been more specific.
75 hours would probably be on the high side of average, which IIRC is in the 50-60 hour range. Legal minimum requirement is 40 hours, with at least 20 of dual instruction and at least 10 solo (the rest can be dual or solo).
Agreed.
"Must be terrorism" is just as risky as "can't be terrorism".
"Might be", until conclusively proven otherwise, preserves the highest numbers of options.
I'm reasonably satisfied. Minor adjustments to magazine storage locations, one piece of personal gear moved to a new spot, otherwise I covered the whole non-committing portion of the terrorism checklist in under ten minutes, pinged three family members and secured the house, it will get better, faster, and more efficient over time, but most folks don't even HAVE a checklist yet, so ten minutes is satisfactory for now.
Cant argue against that. But, (and this is something the GA's just cant stand) it is a long way to discuss military flight training compared to what your average GA dude gets.
It is more tragic when a mil-pilot blows it, because you can never say they were not taught what to do. Many GA's have no clue how to handle an inflight emergency, even though they are certified as being ready to do just that.
Yes, Dornacker was the one, and it happened some 20 years ago. :(
If you think unrestricted VFR over Manhattan is a GOOD idea, then there is nothing for us to talk about.
I do, and you have not made a principled argument as to why it is a BAD thing. If you can, please do. Till then, you're just carping along with the nanny-state sissies. Sheesh. lets get rid of trans fats and smoking while we're at it. oh, they already did that.
Looks like from the FAA web site that they are confirming that N929CD did infact go down: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=929CD
Speaking slower does not help a stupid question, but I'll answer it anyway. I doubt you could find a single gun law or regulation that I would support. Must I now give you my NRA number, or have we settled that?
It doesn't have an ejector seat. What it does have is a ballistic parachute system; the pilot can pull a lever inside the cockpit and a large parachute deploys from the roof area, theoretically letting the plane sink down to a survivable crash landing (and also probably wrecking the airplane, of course). The Cirrus models are, as far as I know, the only mass-produced aircraft to have that. It's designed for situations where the pilot gets the airplane into a spin or other situation where he feels like he can't recover before hitting the ground--or he doesn't know where the ground is.
It's not a cure-all, though. I would expect that the airplane has to be inside a certain envelope of speed and altitude in order for the chute to deploy and stabilize the thing in a descent. Too fast and it'll rip or maybe render the airplane unflyable; too low and it won't fully deploy; at certain bank attitudes it might not work at all. In a situation like this, where the plane went into a building at what looks like a wings-level attitude, he may have been too busy working with an engine failure or fuel problem, stalled it (the "wing dip" being reported), and caught it at too low an altitude to avoid the building.
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Bo is a complete babbling idiot.
If Cory Lidle was at the controls of this plane he was a very low time pilot (he just got his license), and the Cirrus was probably too much plane for him. The old "if I can buy it, I can fly it" syndrome in action...
Personally, I'm really tired of people saying that anyone who is afraid of terrorism is irrational. My family and I go into Manhattan every day, ride the subways, go up in buildings 100 floors high and generally live life as any other NYer does (and now that I think about it I'm reminded that the restaurant that hosted my wedding lunch in the 1990s was incinerated on 9/11).
Just because we occasionally become uneasy when...oh, I don't know, a plane flies off course into a residential building on the Upper East Side, sending burning parts into the streets and setting off a three alarm fire that in turn causes all of 1st and York Avenue to break out into chaos, does not mean we are irrational.
I repeat, if you think unrestricted VFR over Manhatten is a good idea, then we have nothing to talk about.
Therefore, I dont think we need post to each other about it. There is thing thing called "a difference of opinion". I did not ask you to explain your position, but holding it as you do, I seriously doubt that an explaination of my position would sway you.
So, it wont happen. Sorry GA.
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