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Lawmaker Wants Teachers Armed With Guns ( FReep a Poll )
The Associated Press ^ | October 5, 2006 | Rep. Lasee

Posted on 10/05/2006 8:10:28 AM PDT by george76

In the wake of school shootings in Wisconsin, Colorado and Pennsylvania during the last two weeks, a Wisconsin state legislator said he plans to introduce legislation that would allow teachers, principals, administrators and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons.

Rep. Frank Lasee, R-Bellevue, said Wednesday that, while his idea may not be politically correct, it has worked effectively in other countries.

"To make our schools safe for our students to learn, all options should be on the table," he said.

"Israel and Thailand have well-trained teachers carrying weapons and keeping their children safe from harm. It can work in Wisconsin."

Lasee stressed that the measure would hinge on school staff members getting strict training on the use of the weapons.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Israel; US: Colorado; US: Pennsylvania; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amish; bang; banglist; colorado; democrats; israel; madison; pennsylvania; principals; schools; secondamendment; students; teachers; terrorism; thailand; wisconsin
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To: george76
Lock up the sociopaths and deport the Islamists.

The guns are a distraction from the real problem.

141 posted on 10/06/2006 4:05:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who you gonna call?)
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To: All

Should schools allow teachers, principals, administrators and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons?
Choice Votes Percentage of 14400 Votes
Yes 7267 50%
No 7133 50%


142 posted on 10/06/2006 5:17:41 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Scotswife; swmobuffalo
Careful. I said that and swmbuffalo took me to the woodshed for a whuppin' although I happen to agree with you.
143 posted on 10/06/2006 5:26:34 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: george76; Joe Brower

Bumping for sanity in our schools.


144 posted on 10/06/2006 6:27:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: george76; Joe Brower

I wasn't aware of this reality until you posted this thread:

"This is what the old media does not want you to know :

" Israel used to have a problem with terrorist targeting their schools, until they armed the teachers. "


145 posted on 10/06/2006 6:36:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: ExSoldier
Yeah...I fully understand. It used to help me when I taught freshmen and juniors to write the letters ips in a corner of my board prior to the bad classes. My private little joke: Means Institute for Primate Studies. I teach mostly seniors and I teach the cream of the crop: Advanced Placement Government. Also Psychology and Sociology. Honors Economics. When I taught World History (Freshmen) I almost reverted to a state of pure army officer. That's a fairly large step. On my first day in the inner city some punk pops out of his chair and says: Hey Teach! What would you do if I just popped you in the face? I started laughing. The whole class is dead quiet...watching. The kid is stunned. I say: Well you'll take three trips. #1 is to the emergency room for multiple contusions and broken bones. #2 is to JAIL 'cause after I finish defending myself according to law and policy, I'll swear out a warrant. The last trip really isn't for you. It's your parents. See...I'll sue 'em for YOUR actions. I'll cost them 20K a year in legal fees for at least three years and they'll beat you every night of that time. NOW SIT DOWN! By this time the whole class is laughing so hard the tears are flowing. The punk sits and not another word is heard the rest of the year. He failed, but I knew that when he opened his mouth.

I teach social studies and have had similar incidences with freshmen and sophomores...I have stemmed a lot of the insubordination by reminding my students that, should the reason occur, that i WON'T opt for OSS (out of school suspensions) but that they'll go right to the resource officer (County Deputy) to be taken to jail. Just about all of my detention notices and their trips to the assnt. principal have been to 14 and 15-year-olds...I just cannot seem to get a handle on that age grouping. Their academic records are equally as bad--I recently taught a section on the European Enlightenment with a plethora of mnemonic devices to help them remember (such as Rousseau sounding like Roo-social for social contract) but the usual suspects were determined to fail and, naturally, did so.

146 posted on 10/06/2006 6:56:44 AM PDT by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; garandag

I've always believed that, if it ever reached the point where we have to arm teachers to protect the students, it's time to close those schools down. If the school is that dangerous, we shouldn't be sending kids there.


147 posted on 10/06/2006 7:05:31 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Should schools allow teachers, principals, administrators and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons?


Yes 8031.... 51%

No 7666.... 49%


149 posted on 10/06/2006 8:03:28 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Thanks for the help.

We are back !


150 posted on 10/06/2006 8:04:26 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Defender2

It's not as if Ward churchill couldn't get a gun NOW and shoot up a school. Come on...


151 posted on 10/06/2006 8:14:01 AM PDT by the lastbestlady
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To: eleni121

Why is that insane? Do you think there is a BUDGET for armed security guards? I could barely get textbooks this year! I have to PAY for my MANDATORY training this year. When I taught in Florida we had an 8 building campus each building having 3 stories. That's a LOT of security guards to cover the problem. We had 3 security guards when I was there and they weren't armed.
Unnngh....


152 posted on 10/06/2006 8:19:01 AM PDT by the lastbestlady
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To: Tired of Taxes
I've always believed that, if it ever reached the point where we have to arm teachers to protect the students, it's time to close those schools down. If the school is that dangerous, we shouldn't be sending kids there.

Then you'd be closing all schools. Notice where the majority of these shootings seem to be taking place: Small towns like Pearl, Mississippi. This isn't a phenomenon associated with Los Angeles or New York City or Detroit.

Just as is the case in society, there simply aren't enough cops to cover the entire population. If there were..well...we'd call that a police state. Devoid of Freedoms. The only solution is to groom a few sheepdogs to stand guard over their friendly neighborhood sheep at every location. The sheepdogs must be properly equipped for their duties. When I carry a gun, I don't even think of it's physical presence on my hip, I'm so used to it. Because I'm so used to carrying concealed, nobody else knows I'm armed either. So sheep..ummm...folks aren't alarmed as they continue to graze...ummm errr...go about their business!

153 posted on 10/06/2006 8:24:40 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: george76

Freeped and bumped. 51-49


154 posted on 10/06/2006 8:38:01 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small.)
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To: Shooter 2.5; george76; the lastbestlady; Alamo-Girl; amom; Jim Robinson; SFConservative; ...

I believe in the second ammendment to the U.S. Constitution just as much as you do. I just think guns and schools is a bad mix. I agree with others on this post that fully trained professionals in law enforcement should be the ones carrying firearms providing security for our schools and campuses. I do understand that schools in general have become a zoo due to parental neglect in teaching their children/students the difference between right and wrong and parents must bear the lion's share in this failing. In this instance, what worries me is the possibility of a teacher becoming unhinged and shooting up students(two way street). That's why I cringe a little bit at the thought of schools/guns mix. If you look at my posting record, you will find that I'm just as conservative as you all. I did not mean to upset any of you, I just think schools/guns is a bad mix.

Very Best FReegards, Always,

Defender2

D2

:-)


155 posted on 10/06/2006 8:38:05 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Defender2

I hope I didn't come on too strong or offend. I just get my hackles up when people lump teachers all in the same pile. I hate having to leave my gun in my car every day.
Hopefully, no hard feelings.


156 posted on 10/06/2006 8:48:27 AM PDT by the lastbestlady
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To: the lastbestlady

None at all. and always Very Best FReegards, the lastbestlady,

Defender2

D2

:-)


157 posted on 10/06/2006 8:51:34 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Defender2; the lastbestlady

" the possibility of a teacher becoming unhinged and shooting up students..."

This is possible, but it is not the reality of what is happening today in our schools.

The reality of what is happening is the just the opposite.

Having teachers and principals like " the lastbestlady " trained and checked out should be one small piece of the solution.



There is a possibility that a police officer could become unhinged too.


158 posted on 10/06/2006 9:15:29 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Good point about a police officer. The officer we had in school when I taught in Michigan was not exactly someone I wanted to be armed. He was also only one person and he had a high school, a middle school and 2 elementary schools he had to "protect". (I don't believe he could bi-locate)
159 posted on 10/06/2006 9:23:16 AM PDT by the lastbestlady
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To: george76

Very true, which just adds to the schools/guns bad mix.
The only instantaneous solution in this instance is screening and rescreening the security officials tasked with securing our schools.

Example: If a school security officer says he's having a bad day, another school security officer takes his place during that duty period.

I am aware there is no 100% cure for this vexing problem,
however, I am open to any sensible ideas or suggestions in confronting the school security problem. And I am open to your suggestions,

Very Best Regards,

Defender2
D2
:-)


160 posted on 10/06/2006 9:26:48 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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