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1 posted on 08/12/2006 1:20:48 AM PDT by Lorianne
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2 posted on 08/12/2006 1:26:29 AM PDT by kinoxi
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In the West we have freedoms that allow the mind to be creative in positive ways that are absent in the Middle East due to the constraints that Islam puts on society there.

In the West people can dream up goals to achieve and bring a positive uplifting force on country and culture. In the Middle East there are no such freedoms, so the mind is constrained to being creative in cruel and destructive ways.

That however is changing due to the bold vision of President Bush who is a true leader who is leaps and bounds ahead of his ignorant political partisan critics.

As for Muslims in the West, some buy into the culture of destruction emanating from their roots to the Middle East and become Terrorists. It can be said those types are the most ignorant fools on earth, considering they really should be aware and know better yet don't.

The Left Media go a long way in encouraging both Terrorists from the Middle East and "home grown", especially home grown. With the constant never ending sour attacks on President Bush, the Left Media lay the rails for the Terrorists to keep committing atrocities in the hopes that they will finally collapse our morale and will to defend ourselves and keep engaged with the enemy by taking the fight to their faces.
3 posted on 08/12/2006 1:44:41 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Lorianne

Great article....


4 posted on 08/12/2006 2:04:31 AM PDT by BossLady
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How come insulting ugly or fat people is rude, but insulting small men is ordinary? That group gets insulted by huge swaths of society. The guy was five foot four, so what? As the average American man's height is five foot nine, would a six foot two man be considered an object of ridicule?


5 posted on 08/12/2006 2:06:18 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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wow.


7 posted on 08/12/2006 2:41:03 AM PDT by D-fendr
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Psychological Roots Of Islamic Rage

Chicks. It's always about chicks.


8 posted on 08/12/2006 2:52:13 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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10 posted on 08/12/2006 3:00:40 AM PDT by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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We hope that Americans, both male and female, especially those who believe their politically correct and pro-jihadic views will protect them from jihadic violence, will now begin to wrestle with the tragedy in Seattle.

We can hope, but until this PC crap is abandoned, many more innocent people are going to die at the hands of the muzzys...

We hope they do not blame Israel for what Haq did.

They already blame Israel for the war that Hizbullah started....

11 posted on 08/12/2006 3:04:33 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my a$$....)
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Very interesting article, Lorianne. Thanks for posting. It presents some very interesting theories regarding terroristic behavior. I have also noticed this sort of love-hate relationship young Islamic males and female family members and friends.

I was not aware of the role of the "Jewess" in the poisoning of Mohamed. (If he acted, as reported in the story, he deserved it.) If this is, in fact, the only reason for the Islamic enmity for all of Jewry, it, again, demonstrates the psychopathy of their culture.
12 posted on 08/12/2006 3:39:26 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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Very interesting read. Thanks for posting this. Liberals were saying, before the latest plane plot, that all we needed to do was 'educate' Muslims. The root causes of their rage, Libs think, is poverty and illiteracy. If we bribe them enough, fix their nations, they'll leave the rest of the world alone. Larry King's show last night, a reporter who had an interview with bin Laden some years ago said bin Laden was mad at the US because of our foreign policy toward Israel and tyrannical regimes already in place in the Middle East...which he implied were there because the US liked it that way. The reporter and King think Islamic rage is fueled by real or imagined slights and injustices. 'Imagined' doesn't matter since they think they're real. They didn't go anywhere near Islam as a murderous cult. They're still in la la land where if we bend over far enough, Muslims will like us.

Howie Carr, who has a show on WRKO in Boston, said rich Vermonters, (Liberals transplanted from somewhere else, usually NY), never worked a day in their lives, have no idea of the real world. All they want to do is bash Bush. They don't get it that when Muslims take over, their heads will be sawed off. They think they're immune. (This describes the Liberal elite no matter where they live.)


14 posted on 08/12/2006 3:55:08 AM PDT by hershey
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Mayor Ed Koch was on on Fox yesterday. Used to be mayor of NY, a democrat. He said, thank God Bush is president. Vehemently. That Bush was the best friend Israel had ever had. Said he knows Lieberman will win in Nov., and those dems who campaigned against him will regret it, and that he was going right up to Ct. to help Lieberman.


15 posted on 08/12/2006 3:58:42 AM PDT by hershey
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Very simple...Islam has left the majority of its adherents mired in a medieval mindset with corresponding ammenities...while the rest of the world has steadily advanced. Either that anger will be directed at its leadership, or needs be directed outward toward the rest of the world.

Same expalantion as most nutcases who think the world needs to change to accomodate them, rather than they themselves change.......


16 posted on 08/12/2006 4:03:04 AM PDT by mo
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In 1968, Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian, murdered Senator Robert Kennedy because Kennedy’s pro-Israel stand enraged him.
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According to the Wikipedia entry on Sirhan, he really cannot elaborate a coherent reason why he fixated on killing Kennedy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

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Sirhan supposedly believed himself deliberately betrayed by Kennedy's support for Israel in the June 1967 Six-Day War, which had begun exactly one year before the assassination. However the "RFK must die" diary entries started before Kennedy's support of Israel became public knowledge. After his arrest, these journals and diaries were discovered. Most of the entries were incoherent and repetitive, obsessing over a desire to kill Kennedy, among other things. When confronted with these, Sirhan couldn't deny writing them but rather expressed bafflement.[citation needed] In the 1990s, Sirhan proposed the theory that he had been brainwashed, which some conspiracy theorists attribute to the CIA's MKULTRA program.
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17 posted on 08/12/2006 4:09:05 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Years ago, just after the 9/11 attacks, I read a very interesting analysis of "Muslim rage" (that is, the constant undercurrent of anger in those societies) that related it to the cult's peculiar attitude towards women and to the practice of polygamy.

Women are regarded as lower than dirt, mere chattel - yet they are sexually so powerful that the mere glimpse of an arm or any exposed skin can drive a Muslim man mad, hence they must be covered up. At the same time, there are many Muslim men who will never have their "own" woman, since, because men and women occur at about the same proportions in society, the practice of polygamy gives some better-off, older men several wives and leaves younger or lower status men with no access to women. While the famous Islamic 20-minute marriage (basically a form for accomodating prostitution) may take care of this to a degree, it still means that some men have very little possibility of marrying and having children.

Finally, the practice of older men using young boys for sex creates an enormous pool of resentment. Children who have been sexually abused frequently have problems with anger, and a whole society that permits young boys to be used this way - by more powerful, older male family members or strangers - results in a vast backlog of anger among young men. At the same time, their sexual abuse by older males in positions of authority (common at the madrassas, for example) makes them completely dominated by these men and unable to develop into mature men themselves.

In short, there is nothing good about the Islamic cult. It is unnatural and psychologically deforming, and it is not surprising that, in addition to the violence constantly urged in its scriptures, it creates violence and rage through its family and social structures as well.


19 posted on 08/12/2006 4:15:06 AM PDT by livius
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But...but...but last night Christiann Amanpouer told Larry King that Muslims weren't against our freedom or democracy in the West. They were only against our foreign policy in the Middle East...the exact talking points of CAIR and other Islamofascist spokesmen that were aired yesterday. This woman obviously is no friend to America.


21 posted on 08/12/2006 4:26:51 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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the absolute degradation of Arab and Muslim women by a shame- and honor-society means that sons must perpetually rid themselves of the “contamination” that contact with women represents; and that sons must psychologically abandon their mothers even as they experience abandonment by their mothers. Many such sons are trained to mistrust, police, routinely batter, and sometimes even murder their female relatives.

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It's amazing that there are still those who claim that this is a religion. It sounds more like mass insanity.

25 posted on 08/12/2006 4:41:43 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Pierre Rehov is a French filmmaker who has filmed six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the Palestinian areas. His upcoming film, "Suicide Killers," is based on interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it.

You are dealing with seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own logic, which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so convinced that what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure craziness, like interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say, is for them, the absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, my son is dead." Her son had became a shaheed, a martyr, which for her was a greater source of pride than if he had became an engineer, a doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize. This system of values works completely backwards since their interpretation of Islam worships death much more than life. You are facing people whose only dream, only achievement is to fulfill what they believe to be their destiny, namely to be a shaheed or the family of a shaheed. They don't see the innocent being killed, they only see the impure that they have to destroy.

I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a dramatic event, generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is absolute. So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a situation of pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. It is no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on earth will finally be allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and killing themselves to reach this redemption becomes their only solution.

From a Q&A Interview with Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker, on psychology behind suicide bombings By Andrew Cochran.

Psychology of the Suicide Bomber

CounterterrorBlog http://counterterrorismblog.org/2005/07/interview_with_pierre_rehov_do.php

27 posted on 08/12/2006 4:43:40 AM PDT by anglian
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More from Phyllis Chesler,....

The psychoanalytic roots of Islamic terrorism

By Phyllis Chesler, PhD, an Emerita Professor of Psychology and Women's Studies.
IsraelInsider, May 6, 2004.



In the ongoing battle for Fallujah, terrorists are using women and children as human shields against American soldiers. On April 27, 2004, in Jerusalem, Hamas used a Palestinian human bomb to kill two Palestinian alleged "collaborators."
On April 28, 2004, even as UN envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, was busy characterizing Israeli policy as the "great poison in the region," Jordanian police arrested al-Qaida operatives who were quite literally trying to launch a chemical poison attack that might have killed 80,000 Jordanians and Americans.
And, on May 1, 2004, in Gaza, Palestinian gunmen shot and killed a Jewish woman who was eight-months pregnant together with her four young daughters.

Despite enormous and continuing denial on the part of left and liberal ideologues and the media, we are facing an exceedingly pathological strain of Islamofascist terrorism. So a crucial question must be asked: from a psychological and anthropological point of view, what kind of culture produces human bombs, glorifies mass murderers, and supports humiliation-based revenge?

According to Minnesota based psychoanalyst and Arabist, Dr. Nancy Kobrin, it is a culture in which shame and honor play decisive roles and in which the debasement of women is paramount.
In an utterly fascinating and as-yet unpublished book, which I will be introducing, The Sheik's New Clothes: the Psychoanalytic Roots of Islamic Suicide Terrorism, Kobrin, and her Israeli co-author, counter-terrorism expert Yoram Schweitzer, describe barbarous family and clan dynamics in which children, both boys and girls, are routinely orally and anally raped by male relatives; infant males are sometimes sadistically over-stimulated by being masturbated; boys between the ages of 7-12 are publicly and traumatically circumcised; many girls are clitoridectomized; and women are seen as the source of all shame and dishonor and treated accordingly: very, very badly.

According to Dr. Kobrin, "The little girl lives her life under a communal death threat - the honor killing."
Both male and female infants and children are brought up by mothers (who are debased and traumatized women). As such, all children are forever psychologically "contaminated" by the humiliated yet all-powerful mother.

Arab and Muslim boys must disassociate themselves from her in spectacularly savage ways. But, on a deep unconscious level, they may also wish to remain merged with the source of contamination - a conflict that suicide bombers both act out and resolve when they manfully kill but also merge their blood eternally with that of their presumably most hated enemies, the Israeli Jews.
In Kobrin's view, the Israeli Jews may actually function as substitutes or scapegoats for an even more primal, hated/loved enemy: Woman.

Widespread child sexual abuse leads to paranoid, highly traumatized, and revenge-seeking adults.
Based on my own experience in Afghanistan (a non-Arab, Muslim culture), a polygamous, patriarchal culture also leads to an infernal, fraternal competition for paternal favor and inheritance. It is brother against brother, full brothers against half-brothers, full and half brothers against first cousins - and thus, can entire families and clans remain locked in revenge-fueled mortal combat for generations.

Clearly, only evolution of democracy and the elevation of women can begin to change such dynamics. Western feminists, American leaders: Please note.
Alas, historically and theologically, Arab and Muslim culture strongly opposes both democracy and equality for women. This is why the battles to liberate Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East are so important and so very difficult.
The American and Israeli war against terrorism is like World War Two, not like Vietnam.

Yesterday, further confirmation of Dr. Kobrin's thesis arrived at my door. The remarkable and charming Walid Shoebat, an ex-PLO terrorist, came to visit. He has been speaking about his renunciation of terrorism and conversion to evangelical Christianity. Shoebat has been touring the country speaking out for Israel and against the "occupation of Palestinian minds with Jew-hatred."
Unlike the human bombs, Shoebat "merged" with his American-born mother by finally rescuing her from years of captivity and domestic abuse in Bethlehem/Beit Sahur. He also rescued his father, the man who imprisoned and abused her.

Shoebat confirmed the widespread sexual abuse of both boys and girls in Palestinian society. "It is a strange society. Homosexuality is forbidden but if you're the penetrator, not the penetrated, it's okay."
He is describing prison sexuality. "If you're a teenage boy with no hair on your legs other boys your age will pinch your butt and tease you. Once, I saw a class of clothed teenage boys sexualize their gymnastics exercises. And once, on a hiking trip, I saw a line of shepherd boys waiting for their turn to sodomize a five-year-old boy. It was unbelievable."

Shoebat's father also told him stories about starving Arab men who would barter sex for meat from Iraqi soldiers. According to Shoebat, teenage boys prey upon younger children; older male relatives prey upon pre-adolescent and adolescent boys and girls.
They do not have intercourse with the girls since this would render them un-marriageable and bring shame upon their families. I heard many stories in both Afghanistan and Iran about the male preference for anal sex, even within marriage, either as a form of birth control or as a preferred homosexual practice.

Most Arabs and Muslims will deny that this is so. They will attack westerners who say so as "orientalists, colonialists, racists."
Western intellectuals will agree with them. They have been well indoctrinated by - no, western academics were the ones who first glorified the work of the late Edward W. Said who, in my opinion, published his master work, Orientalism, in 1978 as a way of denying feminist ideas and refocusing academic attention away from women and onto brown, Muslim, Arab men as the truest victims of oppression. Neat trick.

Shoebat's grandfather was the Muktar of his village. Nevertheless, eleven-fifteen people lived cramped into two rooms with a huge balcony, a courtyard, and an outhouse.
Once, when Shoebat's American-born Christian mother, (she was forced to convert to Islam), upended a backgammon board in front of his father Achmed's friends, Achmed took a hammer and cracked her skull. Shoebat, her youngest child, took her hand and walked with her to the nearest church where the nuns sewed up her head. There were no hospitals.
Whenever his mother tried to escape, (always together with her three children) the Shoebat men would find her, re-kidnap her, subject her to further punishment.

The male sexual abuse of female children exists everywhere; it is one of the main means of traumatizing and shaming women into obedience and rendering them incapable of resistance or rebellion.
However, the male sexual abuse of male children - denied, never admitted - may work differently and may turn boys into predatory, pedophilic men. Also, among Arabs and Muslims, revenge killings are uniquely prevalent.

Shoebat told me several extraordinary stories which illustrate Palestinian and Arab Middle Eastern mentality. One of his paternal uncles was supposedly having an affair with the mother of a man named Yusuf Al-Atrash. The woman's husband was the chief of police whose revenge consisted of throwing live grenades at Shoebat's family home. The home bore the unrepaired damage for years. The outraged husband wanted to not only kill his wife's lover but his entire family. "My father and his immediate family all had to die because of what his brother did."

Shoebat asked me how I would resolve this feud-unto-death because of his uncle Najib, who was also the chief of police. I foundered. Bride-exchange sacrifice? Blood money? I could not come up with the ingenious plan that Najib crafted - a plan which may also shed light, in part, upon the nature of the Arab war against the Jews.
Najib persuaded the village that they had to attack, pogrom-style, a nearby Jewish community. (Ramat Rachel). Once the Israelis opened fire in self-defense, most of the Arabs fled. However, the Arab attack upon the Jews provided cover for what Najib had to do: He himself snipered Yusuf in the back. When the Israelis, as they always did, allowed the Arabs to safely retrieve their dead, Najib proclaimed Yusuf al-Atrash a "shahid" and buried him in his bloody clothing. This is a mark of honor. A "shahid" enters heaven more quickly, clothed in his own blood.

This characterizes an Arab way of thinking. From here, it is easy to create the kinds of doctored footage and photo-opportunity journalism that has dominated this latest Intifada against the Jews. It is also a way of thinking that the liberal western media does not comprehend.

Yusuf's martyrdom was not enough, the "honor" of the al-Atrash family had not yet been redeemed. Another man from the al-Atrash family attacked Shoebat's father Achmed, who, in self-defense, stabbed his attacker to death, "ripped his stomach open like a sheep." The man did not die. Shoebat's father immediately went into hiding.
By this time, Shoebat was living in America. His paternal uncles called him and asked that he pay the blood money. Shoebat did so but not until each of his uncles ("nice uncles") publicly "abandoned" Achmed. "He is not my brother, I denounce and abandon him."

And only in this way was Shoebat finally able to rescue his mother. He paid the blood money and brought both his long-suffering mother and her abuser, his father, to America. Since Shoebat's mother holds an American passport she was able to bring her husband into the country with her.

Recently, Shoebat's brother - a man they had previously socialized with - called Shoebat's wife. "Tell your husband that we know what he is doing against Islam. Tell him we know where he lives. Bye bye."

"I told my wife, Welcome to the Middle East where your beloved one day can become your executioner the next day."

Shoebat is, miraculously, engaged in redefining loyalty. He has taken his mother's side, and in so doing, has broken with the shame, honor, and secrecy codes of his father's culture.
It is important to understand that Shoebat has not broken with his father. On the contrary, he rescued him too. Shoebat's mother and father both live near him in the United States.

These amazing anecdotes confirm the veracity of Dr. Kobrin's work. In my view, they also suggest that Americans and Europeans begin to think twice about what Arabs tell them about who started a fight, and why the Israelis, the Jews, and the Americans are to blame.

http://www.likud.nl/press329.html


29 posted on 08/12/2006 4:46:18 AM PDT by kanawa
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Haq’s act is chillingly reminiscent of the Montreal Massacre that took place on December 6, 1989. Marc Lepine entered the engineering school at the University of Montreal and killed fourteen women while wounding fifteen others. Lepine, who had been rejected by both the Canadian Army and the engineering school at the University of Montreal, said in his suicide note that he was after the “feminist viragos” who had ruined his life.

The Canadian police saw this as an isolated act of a madman (as American police had once viewed Ted Bundy’s bloody trail of femicide). What the Canadian police failed to understand was the importance of certain biographical and childhood factors. For example, Lepine was born Gamile Rodrigue Gharbi to an Algerian Muslim father and a French-Canadian mother who had formerly been a nun. Lepine’s father, Liess Gharbi, physically and psychologically brutalized both his son and his wife. He probably taught his son that women are chattel – property – who deserve to be beaten even when they are obedient and perhaps murdered when they are not.

What is important to note is that Gharbi/Lepine blamed women for the considerable crimes of his father, whose culture was Islamic and Algerian.

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31 posted on 08/12/2006 4:58:32 AM PDT by fanfan (The MSM has no clothes.)
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Thanks for this article Lorianne, I have always considered the following quote from General George S. Patton to be not only prophetic of our Islamic enemies today, but a wise observation of the entire culture:

"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing."
33 posted on 08/12/2006 5:09:23 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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