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"What's the moral of the story? Appeasement never works. Jefferson saw it. Sept. 11 was hardly the beginning. The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history. It's time to learn from history, not repeat its mistakes.


1 posted on 08/08/2006 7:21:03 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Like those we call "terrorists" today, they saw themselves engaged in jihad and called themselves "mujahiddin."

Gee, why did my gov't school history book leave this out? I'm truly not baffled.

2 posted on 08/08/2006 7:25:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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3 posted on 08/08/2006 7:28:40 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Abortion is the ultimate denial of reality.)
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"The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history."

And the other side has almost invariably been the aggressor- they only make peace when they need time to regroup.


4 posted on 08/08/2006 7:29:43 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: kellynla

Yup...appeasement never works...it didn't work with the Barbary Pirates, it didn't work with Hitler, and it's not going to work now.

We will only have true peace when our enemies are destroyed.


5 posted on 08/08/2006 7:30:48 AM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: kellynla
Let's not forget that the altercation resulted in the Treaty of Tripoli (1796), Article 11 of which provides in part: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
6 posted on 08/08/2006 7:32:32 AM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: kellynla
Newsreel video:

Peace in our time - Chamberlain
7 posted on 08/08/2006 7:33:19 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: kellynla

We need to take the terrorists and put them on an Alabama chain gang with female prison guards. And every time one of them tries to bow towards Mecca, spray him with pigs blood.


8 posted on 08/08/2006 7:34:01 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: kellynla

And before Jefferson, the British Empire should have taken care of the problem when they had the chance back in the 1600s.


9 posted on 08/08/2006 7:34:50 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Jefferson inquired of his European hosts how they dealt with the problem. He was stunned to find out that France and England both paid tribute to the fiends – who would, in turn, use the money to expand their own armada, buy more weaponry, hijack more commercial ships, enslave more innocent civilians and demand greater ransom.

This is the upshot to paying ransom, tribute, blood money etc. It just funds more of the same, over and over and over. You get weaker and the enemy gets stronger as he parasitizes you.

Middle East Interactive Map

10 posted on 08/08/2006 7:37:44 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com.dish5009.net.ibizdns.com/MEMap.html)
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To: kellynla

But the head in the sand types will insist that George
Washington or Adams signed a Treaty that declares the
United States was never a Christian nation. (Treaty of
Tripoli with it's bogus Article 11-not seen in the Arabic
translation -WHY?) I so agree this war began as Farah suggests before we became a nation. Washington and Adams
believed that appeasement or paying the Islamic Ransom was
the way to go.They pretended to see a "diplomatic" solution.
When one gets more of the behavior that is rewarded. The Muslims base their use of terror and human bondage upon the
teaching of their Holy Books. And America refuses to learn
Anything from either History -or Religion.


13 posted on 08/08/2006 7:50:53 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: kellynla

Today, the liberal Thomas Jefferson couldn't get himself elected Senator from Connecticut.


14 posted on 08/08/2006 7:57:52 AM PDT by Piranha
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puhleeze, islam is a religion of pieces of eight.


15 posted on 08/08/2006 8:01:51 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Could mecca be Satan's' throne?)
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To: kellynla
"We need an Anti-fascist" movement in the USA. A true one, not the weenie Dem one in which left wing blivets propound a view that Republicans are fascists ( we have much bigger fish to frie), but one like that in which Winston Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower led.

One of the best essays I have found on the liberal intellectual abandonment of "Anti-fascism," of whom Winston Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower were among the greatest exponents,is viewable here. What an excellent primer to explain the "tom foolery" we must presently undergo in dealing with the Lebanon crisis:

Intellectuals and Anti-Fascism: For a Critical Historization

Enzo Traverso

[from New Politics, vol. 9, no. 4 (new series), whole no. 36, Winter 2004]

http://www.wpunj.edu/newpol/issue36/Traverso36.htm

Quote:

If we do not think of democracy as a simple procedural norm -- according to the vision of Hans Kelsen and Norberto Bobbio -- but as an historical conquest, we should deduce from this that it is impossible to be democratic, at this end of the twentieth century, without being at the same time antifascist. A "non-anti-fascist" democracy would be fragile indeed, a luxury that continental Europe, which was well acquainted with Hitler, Mussolini and Franco, cannot allow itself. That is a lesson that the history of the intellectual antifascist resistance should have taught us, clearly and definitively.

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18 posted on 08/08/2006 8:17:03 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: kellynla

Thank you for this post.


19 posted on 08/08/2006 8:19:07 AM PDT by Spirited
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Farah does not have his history straight or is deliberately distorting the truth. Jefferson's followers in the Congress forced the Federalist administration to cut its plans for new warships in half which severely limited its ability to deal with pirates as well as the Frence and the British.

The Democrats were concerned that such a force might be used to fight their foreign allies, the Jacobins, and many were ready to fight a civil war here to prevent that.

Not only did Jefferson and his followers delay the founding of Military academies to educate officers it howled inanely about the dangers of a standing army and cut it. This ideological blindness weakened American military power and potential for the next decade. Consequently we entered the War of 1812 with little military power which allowed 5,000 British troops to burn the National Capital.

Jefferson opposed not merely a navy but American shipping carrying American goods. He wanted foreign ships to do it in a cowardly attempt to avoid problems with other countries. His idea of a navy was limited to gunboats which patrolled only our coasts. Navies produced foreign conflicts to his mind. He tried to withdraw America from trade with Europe through an embargo which brought the economy to its knees for several years resulting in massive unemployment and the collapse of our shipping industry.

Jefferson never fought a war without bending over backwards repeatedly and to paint him as militantly proposing using force against the Muslims is revisionism at its worst. He was truely the ancestor of today's Party of Treason and America's most overrated president.


21 posted on 08/08/2006 8:22:44 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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I never knew the Barbary Pirates were religiously motivated, nor that they called themselves mujahadeen. I did know they were muzzies and that they took slaves. White slaves.


47 posted on 08/08/2006 12:31:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: kellynla
Very good post. Thank you for this reference. One more item in the huge pile of evidence highlighting the idiocy of appeasement.

With the current foe, who is no different from the original Axis of Evil, appeasement will never work. Negotiations will never work. When these terrorists talk of "peace" they really mean "peace for us will exist when every non-Muslim is dead or enslaved".

We cannot negotiate when our opponent's only demand, which they will not budge from, is the complete and brutal death to our people and our way of life (leftist, that includes you too).
52 posted on 08/08/2006 1:23:02 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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Jefferson would continue to pay tribute to other Barbary States to the end of his second term, and his successor, James Madison, would still be paying tribute up until 1816. In 1816, the British warship HMS Queen Charlotte, at the head of a combined Anglo-Dutch fleet, poured 500 tons of munitions into the town of Algiers, obliterating the Algerine navy and damaging or destroying every building in town and killing an estimated 5,000 - 8,000 citizens and soldiers. The Bey surrendered all the slaves he had (1,642), promised never to enslave Christians again, and handed over 382,500 Austrian thalers, in sacks of 1,000 each, which amounted to over a 1 million.


58 posted on 08/13/2006 8:09:56 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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