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BIG BANG IN ANTARCTICA -- KILLER CRATER FOUND UNDER ICE
Ohio State University ^ | 01 June 2006 | Staff (press release)

Posted on 06/01/2006 2:26:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ancient mega-catastrophe paved way for the dinosaurs, spawned Australian continent.

Planetary scientists have found evidence of a meteor impact much larger and earlier than the one that killed the dinosaurs -- an impact that they believe caused the biggest mass extinction in Earth's history.

The 300-mile-wide crater lies hidden more than a mile beneath the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. And the gravity measurements that reveal its existence suggest that it could date back about 250 million years -- the time of the Permian-Triassic extinction, when almost all animal life on Earth died out.

Its size and location -- in the Wilkes Land region of East Antarctica, south of Australia -- also suggest that it could have begun the breakup of the Gondwana supercontinent by creating the tectonic rift that pushed Australia northward.

Scientists believe that the Permian-Triassic extinction paved the way for the dinosaurs to rise to prominence. The Wilkes Land crater is more than twice the size of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan peninsula, which marks the impact that may have ultimately killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The Chicxulub meteor is thought to have been 6 miles wide, while the Wilkes Land meteor could have been up to 30 miles wide -- four or five times wider.

"This Wilkes Land impact is much bigger than the impact that killed the dinosaurs, and probably would have caused catastrophic damage at the time," said Ralph von Frese, a professor of geological sciences at Ohio State University.

He and Laramie Potts, a postdoctoral researcher in geological sciences, led the team that discovered the crater. They collaborated with other Ohio State and NASA scientists, as well as international partners from Russia and Korea. They reported their preliminary results in a recent poster session at the American Geophysical Union Joint Assembly meeting in Baltimore.

The scientists used gravity fluctuations measured by NASA's GRACE satellites to peer beneath Antarctica's icy surface, and found a 200-mile-wide plug of mantle material -- a mass concentration, or "mascon" in geological parlance -- that had risen up into the Earth's crust.

Mascons are the planetary equivalent of a bump on the head. They form where large objects slam into a planet's surface. Upon impact, the denser mantle layer bounces up into the overlying crust, which holds it in place beneath the crater.

When the scientists overlaid their gravity image with airborne radar images of the ground beneath the ice, they found the mascon perfectly centered inside a circular ridge some 300 miles wide -- a crater easily large enough to hold the state of Ohio.

Taken alone, the ridge structure wouldn't prove anything. But to von Frese, the addition of the mascon means "impact." Years of studying similar impacts on the moon have honed his ability to find them.

"If I saw this same mascon signal on the moon, I'd expect to see a crater around it," he said. "And when we looked at the ice-probing airborne radar, there it was."

"There are at least 20 impact craters this size or larger on the moon, so it is not surprising to find one here," he continued. "The active geology of the Earth likely scrubbed its surface clean of many more."

He and Potts admitted that such signals are open to interpretation. Even with radar and gravity measurements, scientists are only just beginning to understand what's happening inside the planet. Still, von Frese said that the circumstances of the radar and mascon signals support their interpretation.

"We compared two completely different data sets taken under different conditions, and they matched up," he said.

To estimate when the impact took place, the scientists took a clue from the fact that the mascon is still visible.

"On the moon, you can look at craters, and the mascons are still there," von Frese said. "But on Earth, it's unusual to find mascons, because the planet is geologically active. The interior eventually recovers and the mascon goes away." He cited the very large and much older Vredefort crater in South Africa that must have once had a mascon, but no evidence of it can be seen now.

"Based on what we know about the geologic history of the region, this Wilkes Land mascon formed recently by geologic standards -- probably about 250 million years ago," he said. "In another half a billion years, the Wilkes Land mascon will probably disappear, too."

Approximately 100 million years ago, Australia split from the ancient Gondwana supercontinent and began drifting north, pushed away by the expansion of a rift valley into the eastern Indian Ocean. The rift cuts directly through the crater, so the impact may have helped the rift to form, von Frese said.

But the more immediate effects of the impact would have devastated life on Earth.

"All the environmental changes that would have resulted from the impact would have created a highly caustic environment that was really hard to endure. So it makes sense that a lot of life went extinct at that time," he said.

He and Potts would like to go to Antarctica to confirm the finding. The best evidence would come from the rocks within the crater. Since the cost of drilling through more than a mile of ice to reach these rocks directly is prohibitive, they want to hunt for them at the base of the ice along the coast where the ice streams are pushing scoured rock into the sea. Airborne gravity and magnetic surveys would also be very useful for testing their interpretation of the satellite data, they said.

NSF and NASA funded this work. Collaborators included Stuart Wells and Orlando Hernandez, graduate students in geological sciences at Ohio State; Luis Gaya-Piqué and Hyung Rae Kim, both of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center; Alexander Golynsky of the All-Russia Research Institute for Geology and Mineral Resources of the World Ocean; and Jeong Woo Kim and Jong Sun Hwang, both of Sejong University in Korea.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antarctic; antarctica; bolide; canopy; catastrophism; chicxulub; creation; crevolist; deccantraps; evolution; extinction; godsgravesglyphs; greatdying; impact; impactcraters; lakevostok; massextinction; meteor; meteorimpact; ohsomysteriouso; permian; ptextinction; russia; stalactites; stalagmites; thegreatdying; velaincident; velikovsky
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To: PatrickHenry

I especially like #14 in your list..."Anyone who thinks there are rocks in the sky, has rocks in his head"....Excellent....


101 posted on 06/01/2006 7:23:24 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: PatrickHenry


"2. Meteor craters have never been reproduced in the lab, and are thus not scientific."


2b. If they ARE reproduced in the lab, that's done by humans using intelligence and design, and no proof that they ever happen in nature. So lab-craters are not scientific.


102 posted on 06/01/2006 7:29:25 PM PDT by Almagest
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To: Almagest

What we have here is an unwitnessed event, one which can't be reproduced in the lab (except as absurdly unpersuasive micro-impacts), an event comprised of numerous features which can't be explained by themselves, but only as part of an integrated whole, an event which can't be dated due to the unreliability of radiometric dating techniques, an event which thus far has received only Godless, naturalistic "explanations" in the form of rocks randomly falling from the sky, an event which -- even if it happened as long ago as the naturalist scientists claim -- can't be verified due to their ignorance of conditions so long ago, an event which seems to defy the odds by its very uniqueness, an event which mimics the shape of recently-observed crop circles, and this is the event which the Godless naturalistic scientists want to teach to the children as a purely natural event.


103 posted on 06/01/2006 7:30:45 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry


17. Hitler was a Craterist. So was Stalin. So are homos and liberals. 'Nuff said!


104 posted on 06/01/2006 7:31:21 PM PDT by Almagest
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To: Almagest
I know you jest, but Craterism is a communist plot! Think about it. If you are told since childhood that rocks fall from the sky, and at any moment your existence can be snuffed out by a random rock, then life has no meaning. Why study, why save, why work, why worry about morality, why care about the future? Just let the government handle things, while you lie back in a drug-induced stupor, engaged in animalistic fornication.
105 posted on 06/01/2006 7:33:26 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: TXnMA
And your (scientific) authority for that statement is...?

Robert Bakker, Jack Horner, Claire Belcher and Dewey M. McLean to begin with

But you don't need much scientific authority to shoot down that week hypothesis

Here's my debunking of it,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1628667/posts?page=46#46

and I could have tripled the size of my post but I went easy.

Here's a good read on the subject by another Paleontologist

106 posted on 06/01/2006 7:36:18 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: PatrickHenry
Just let the government handle things, while you lie back in a drug-induced stupor, engaged in animalistic fornication.

Laura Schlesinger, is that you?

107 posted on 06/01/2006 7:38:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (...and I'll have the roast duck with mango salsa.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I see. I guess you have a personal guarantee that a random bus won't unexpectedly remove you from this earthly coil?


108 posted on 06/01/2006 7:40:13 PM PDT by null and void (Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, a sense of humor is just common sense, dancing)
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To: PatrickHenry


So you're saying that God ***LIED!!!*** when he never mentioned craters in his perfect, holy, inerrant, inspired, absolutely-scientifically-true word?????

Just wait till Hank gets a hold of you. The beatings will commence and never stop.

P.S. God loves you, and I love you, and that's the way it should be. Write me privately if you feel the need to discuss this with me, because I know you are "convicted" by my expert weilding of the "Sword of the Spirit."


109 posted on 06/01/2006 7:40:21 PM PDT by Almagest
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To: Right Wing Professor
Classic Craterite cultist attitude. Do you think your schemes are unknown to us? Do you imagine we are unaware of how you whisper to our daughters: "Why preserve your chastity, young maiden, when at any moment a rock may fall upon us from the sky."

We are aware that your materialistic Craterism is leading our women astray, by robbing them of all hope of the future, of any reason to plan for the next generation. You are destroying the most basic foundation of our society with your Rocks-from-the-Sky blasphemy! And all this, all these lies, merely to satisfy your animalistic lust. Have you no shame?

110 posted on 06/01/2006 7:40:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: qam1
A quote from the Jack Horner link you provided says:

That in fact is what Horner hypothesizes happened to Triceratops, Edmontosaurus, T. rex, and the rest of their diminishing kin at the end of the Hell Creek period. The asteroid may well have been the knockout blow in a fight the dinosaurs had already lost.

111 posted on 06/01/2006 7:59:26 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Centurion2000; stands2reason
S2R: Do scientists have a theory on what spurred the Cambrian explostion?

C2k: Pre-Cambrian life was unicellular

Not all of it. Wiki article

This article has nice pictures.

112 posted on 06/01/2006 8:45:18 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry
>>>The 300-mile-wide crater lies hidden more than a mile beneath the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. And the gravity measurements that reveal its existence suggest that it could date back about 250 million years -- the time of the Permian-Triassic extinction, when almost all animal life on Earth died out.

Its size and location -- in the Wilkes Land region of East Antarctica, south of Australia -- also suggest that it could have begun the breakup of the Gondwana supercontinent by creating the tectonic rift that pushed Australia northward.<<<

It's a good thing that you told us to be nice or I might have suggested what the author could do with his paper.

113 posted on 06/01/2006 9:38:58 PM PDT by xJones
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To: PatrickHenry
He and Potts would like to go to Antarctica to confirm the finding. The best evidence would come from the rocks within the crater. Since the cost of drilling through more than a mile of ice to reach these rocks directly is prohibitive, they want to hunt for them at the base of the ice along the coast where the ice streams are pushing scoured rock into the sea. Airborne gravity and magnetic surveys would also be very useful for testing their interpretation of the satellite data, they said.

It's no problem. Gore says the ice caps are melting.

114 posted on 06/01/2006 10:05:15 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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115 posted on 06/01/2006 10:18:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bwteim

On Velikovsky, also check out Earth in Upheaval and Ages in Chaos. I think there were 4 books all together, but I enjoyed reading those three almost 30 years ago.


116 posted on 06/01/2006 10:56:38 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Mike Darancette; PatrickHenry

Large as it is I think that this crater might not have been the only cause of the Permian extinction. I am inclined to think there may be a very major crater buried under the Siberian lava flows. I base this conjecture on the following:

Recent studies by Chattergee (sp?) in India point to the existence of the Shiva Crater and the edge of the Deccan Traps, about 200 by 400 miles and the same age (65 my) as the Yucatan (dinosaur) crater. This would be the same general mass as the propoposed Antarctic impactor and only killed 70% of life forms.

The Chesapeake Meteor (35 mya) was 50 miles in diameter, and the Popigai (Siberia) crater 60 miles wide, and the Toms River crater, 9 miles wide, all falling about the same time killed less than 50% of life.

As we saw during the recent Jupiter bombardment, boloids come in families.


117 posted on 06/01/2006 11:22:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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"Reality in Collision" placemark
118 posted on 06/01/2006 11:31:29 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: DBrow

Good Question. I wonder if anyone has looked.


119 posted on 06/01/2006 11:35:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: kinghorse
Macready saved the world as we know it ;)

Wolf
120 posted on 06/01/2006 11:57:32 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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