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Moose, not men, blamed for mammoth extinction
Globe and Mail ^ | 5-11-06 | ANNE MCILROY

Posted on 05/11/2006 7:11:10 PM PDT by SJackson

Humans have been blamed for slaughtering woolly mammoths and other large ice-age animals into extinction, but new evidence from Yukon suggests this isn't the case.

Moose were to blame, at least in part, says Dale Guthrie, a researcher at the University of Alaska.

He has found evidence that the climate in Yukon and Alaska was warming between 13,000 and 10,000 years ago, around the time a wave of human hunters moved into North America from Asia. The North was changing from a grassland to a boreal forest and tundra, he says. Moose also arrived, and were better adapted to digest the new, woodier plants that were taking over.

A close examination of the fossil record suggests moose and other browsers probably competed against the mammoths and other ice-age grazers for food, Dr. Guthrie says.

In this week's edition of the British journal Nature, he makes the argument for a less bloody ending to the mystery of what happened to the mammoths, mastodons, camels, giant sloths, horses and beavers as big as black bears that once lived in North America.

They disappeared from the continent around the same time adept hunters known as the Clovis people moved in. Many scientists argue that the timing was not a coincidence. The blitzkrieg theory, put forward in the 1960s, argued that people quickly destroyed the naive beasts unaccustomed to attacks from humans.

Dr. Guthrie says his evidence doesn't support the idea that animals died in a bloodbath. But it does back up a competing, although less popular, theory that says the warming climate led to their demise.

He examined more than 600 bones in Alaska and the Yukon territory, sifting through them to get several dozen from the period when the Clovis began populating North America.

He found that three animals -- bison, an elk-like creature called a wapiti and moose -- all increased their numbers during human colonization.

As people moved in from Asia, Dr. Guthrie's fossil finds show that moose moved with them. They were better at digesting the available food than mammoths and horses.

Horses, he says, were already decreasing in both size and number in the North before the Clovis people arrived. The horses disappeared before the mammoths, which is a blow to the keystone theory of the extinctions. It says that mammoths were a key species because they ripped out growing forests and kept the land more open for other grazers. Humans hunted them to extinction, which led to the demise of other herbivores. But if the horses died first, the theory doesn't stand, Dr. Guthrie says.

He also says that many large animals, including camels, giant beavers, ground sloths, mastodons, short-faced bears and sabre-tooth cats all disappeared from the fossil record in the North before the Clovis people arrived.

His work suggests that humans are not to blame for the fact that North America has so few big animals compared with Africa. The North is where the encroaching humans first encountered the large beasts. If they didn't kill them in Yukon and Alaska, he says, it doesn't makes sense that they exterminated the same animals as they slowly moved further south.

But others aren't so sure. Researchers have proposed that disease carried by humans may have jumped to their dogs, and then to wild animals.

Anthony Barnosky, a paleobiologist at the University of California in Berkeley, argues that both humans and the shifting climate were to blame. Further south on the continent, the extinction of the large animals happened later, during a period when there is solid evidence humans were hunting them.


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KEYWORDS: cheese; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; greennewdeal; mammoth; moose; moosecheesesister; sister
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To: SJackson


Actually, even newer evidence shows it's all Bush's fault...


21 posted on 05/11/2006 8:07:21 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: SJackson
He has found evidence that the climate in Yukon and Alaska was warming between 13,000 and 10,000 years ago, around the time a wave of human hunters moved into North America from Asia

Proof that humans cause global warming.

22 posted on 05/11/2006 8:25:29 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: freedumb2003
I'm not angry. And I didn't that it wasn't a funny show.

Just that they [producers] squandered and mishandled what should have been a long running classic.

23 posted on 05/11/2006 8:47:23 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
Just that they [producers] squandered and mishandled what should have been a long running classic.

Jumped the shark early. Yes, I agree that is sad.

24 posted on 05/11/2006 8:49:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Any guest worker program that does not require application from the home country is Amnesty)
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To: SJackson

Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...


25 posted on 05/11/2006 8:52:56 PM PDT by RichInOC ("On second thought, let us not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place.")
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To: SJackson

My senator, Debbie Stabenow, proves that mammoths evolved into fat communists.


26 posted on 05/11/2006 8:57:34 PM PDT by sergeantdave (And though getting up in the world attracts attention, it does not establish solid worth.)
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To: sergeantdave
I thought it was that one from Maryland. The one that has a cow when ever money is spent on science, not preceded by "social".

I guess that makes two.

27 posted on 05/11/2006 9:09:17 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Dead Dog
I'm suprised the "A moose bit my sister" routine has started yet.

It did, you must have missed it. See post #15.

28 posted on 05/11/2006 9:15:21 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: freedumb2003
Speaking of which: Now part of TV history can be yours (THE "NORTHERN EXPOSURE" BAR IS FOR SALE)
29 posted on 05/11/2006 10:25:16 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: SJackson; GreenFreeper

Ping


31 posted on 05/12/2006 4:58:06 PM PDT by proud_yank (A liberal's 'generosity' is limited to the funds available in someone else's account.)
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32 posted on 06/16/2007 1:34:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith


33 posted on 06/16/2007 1:35:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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This one is a Blast from the Past, May 2006.

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34 posted on 06/16/2007 1:36:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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To: SJackson

a moose once bit my woolly mammoth!


35 posted on 06/16/2007 1:37:38 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
...and møøslimbs will be responsible for human civilization extinction...
36 posted on 06/16/2007 1:43:46 PM PDT by null and void (Wherever liberty has sprouted around the world, we find its seeds were watered with American blood)
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To: SJackson

The whole humans-slaughtered-the-mammoths thing is a complete myth.

Look at ancient America... the native Americans could have tried to wipe out the buffalo until hell froze over and never would have gotten even close - until two things happened - the horse, and the firearm.

And compared to a mammoth, a 3,000 lb buffalo is small change.


37 posted on 06/16/2007 1:50:39 PM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: SJackson

Mind you now, moose bites can be pretty nasti.


38 posted on 06/16/2007 1:58:32 PM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: SJackson

Both rabbits and moose eat the same thing but don’t compete since moose eat high on the shrubs and rabbits nibble around the bottom. It would be hard to imagine moose out-eating mammoths unless there were a lot of moose. The most moose do now is leave the hedge kind of irregular.


39 posted on 06/16/2007 2:01:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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40 posted on 06/16/2007 2:05:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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