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George Allen: Rebel flag was teen 'attitude.' Magazine reports on rebel symbols he had in school
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 4/30/6 | Peter Hardin and Tyler Whitley

Posted on 04/30/2006 7:41:33 PM PDT by Crackingham

Sen. George Allen, who has tried to reach out to minority voters in recent years, wore a Confederate flag pin on his shirt collar in a high-school yearbook photo, a national magazine reported yesterday. As a high school student in Palos Verdes, Calif., Allen was seen riding in or driving a Ford Mustang with either a Confederate flag license plate or Confederate flag imagery on the car, The New Republic quoted witnesses as saying.

The Virginia Republican, seeking re-election now and weighing a presidential bid in 2008, was to depart today to co-host a civil-rights history tour for members of Congress to Southside Virginia. The topic is to be progress toward racial reconciliation. Allen staff confirmed that the pin in his yearbook picture depicted a Confederate flag. An Allen aide told the magazine the senator didn't remember a Confederate flag on his Mustang but that it was possible.

As a high school student in California, "I generally bucked authority and the rebel flag was just a way to express that attitude," Allen said in a written statement to the magazine. "Life is a learning experience and I have learned quite a bit in the ensuing 36 years."

He went on to discuss his belief in equal opportunity, his learning from participating in a civil-rights history tour to Alabama several years ago and his proposed Senate legislation to aid minority colleges.

Harris Miller, one of two Democrats seeking the nomination to run against Allen, said yesterday that he found Allen's explanation "pretty disingenuous" considering that while he held state office, he had "a troubling record on minority issues."

Miller cited Allen's issuance while governor of a "highly divisive" Confederate history and heritage month proclamation and his vote, while a member of the House of Delegates, against a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday.

"We need leaders who will celebrate all that we have in common rather than things that divide us," Miller said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
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To: stainlessbanner; wardaddy
I changed my Bonnie Blue for the Stars and Bars recently on my truck

New truck, new look, same ol legend.

I had a Texas Burnett Flag [like a Bonnie Blue, but with a gold star instead of a white one, per the 1836 Texas flag] on my old blue pickup truck, switched to the Confederate battle flag when I replaced that truck with a red Ford and moved to Memphis.

Now I'm looking at another replacemert truck, and it's gray. I don't know what flag I might fly with it, but I reckon it'll go right nice with my gray duds....


101 posted on 05/01/2006 11:20:24 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: Migraine
It was not uncommon for southerners to express their regional loyalty and pride by putting stars and bars on their room doors, or by saying "The South shall rise again". It was just good humor.

We did something similar. While stationed in Germany in the mid-1960s, we sometimes paid the German hookers with Confederate bills.

A ten-dollar tip for services rendered [not always what you might think] was not infrequent. But you usually only got away with it once.


102 posted on 05/01/2006 11:24:45 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: Crackingham

The confederate flag stuff doesn't bother me.

The fact that Senator Allen has said he doesn't support an absolute right to gun ownership does...


103 posted on 05/01/2006 11:26:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance

He pushed a very permissive CCW law in virginia when he was governor and he signed it. I forget what its called, but its the kind where you can go up ask for a gun and you don't really need to justify why your getting it. Yea, hes the gun grabbing Rino that rudy and romney are *rolls eyes*


104 posted on 05/01/2006 11:31:57 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: SDGOP

"Better than Rudy or Romney" is hardly a winning campaign slogan.



105 posted on 05/01/2006 11:35:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance

No, running on his fantastic record as VA governor is.


106 posted on 05/01/2006 11:37:54 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: EternalVigilance

He also has a fantastic record as senator too i might add, hes such a rino that he got a 100 acu rating last year.


107 posted on 05/01/2006 11:39:26 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: SDGOP

George Allen on Gun Control

Republican Jr Senator (VA)


Opposes absolute right to gun ownership

Allen AGREES with the following statements:

Maintain and strengthen the enforcement of existing federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.

Allow citizens to carry concealed guns.

Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.

Increase penalties for the possession of any illegal guns.

Require background checks of gun buyers at gun shows.

Source: Vote-smart.org NPAT Issues questionnaire Sep 20, 2000


108 posted on 05/01/2006 11:42:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: SDGOP

You calling him "fantastic" this or "fantastic" that doesn't quite cut it my friend.

Serious digging reveals a pandering politician; a very careful one; who pays very close attention to focus groups and polls.

And one who holds some very strange views on some important stuff.


109 posted on 05/01/2006 11:46:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: CindyDawg

Not even close CindyDawg. I have no problem with flying the Confederate Flag. That's just another ignorant bitchin' point with the race baiters.


110 posted on 05/01/2006 11:47:05 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: usmcobra

I don't want to stand up for a flag. I think it is completely silly of you to harp on and on about the Confederate flag. You are not changing public perception of the Confederate flag. Your hatred of the Democrats of 140 years ago is fine. Anyone who does not know that the Democrats held power in the South for almost all the years of jim crow, etc, is a moron.

I don't need you to tell me what I already know, and I doubt anyone else here does either.

However, your projection of views that you disagree with onto people who do not actually hold them is very telling. It's pathological, isn't it?


111 posted on 05/01/2006 12:09:39 PM PDT by okiecon
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To: EternalVigilance

I support gun rights too, but an "absolute" right would imply that ex-cons could have guns.


112 posted on 05/01/2006 12:16:02 PM PDT by okiecon
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To: Crackingham
Here come the cheap shots from the MSM. Also, it sends a message to anyone wanting to run for anything that we will reach into your past to embarrass you if you are not a socialist. Hell, Ellen Goodman from the Boston Globe was quoting Justice John Roberts writing when he was 15 years old to show to her readers he was sexist by writing he wished not to read the racier parts of Shakespeare while a giggling blond was sitting behind him. Oh ya, forget about Ted Kennedy Manslaughtering Mary Jo all those years ago, why dwell on something everybody knows about!
113 posted on 05/01/2006 12:17:04 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: SDGOP

They should be called a lot worse. If you instinctively associate the confederate flag with slavery, etc, then the left has brainwashed you. Time to deprogram.


114 posted on 05/01/2006 12:19:49 PM PDT by okiecon
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To: okiecon

Senator Allen is trying to have it both ways, though, as usual.

That's what happens when you govern by focus group.

Myself, I'm looking for a real leader who holds the founding principles of the country in his heart, regardless of what a poll says.

Public opinion changes like the wind, but these principles we're discussing are foundational.


115 posted on 05/01/2006 12:29:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance

We've been over this whole gun bruhaha and you keep rehashing the same crap even though its been refuted a thousand times over.

he is not a pandering politician. He has always run as a common sense jeffersonian conservative, even since his days as a delegate. I don't beleive for one second you don't have a candidate in this race, i think your supporting one of the rinos(rudy or romney) and are adopting this line of attack since you cant legitimately prop up either.

As governor of virginia Allen pushed welfare reform a year ahead of the US congress's version, he pushed for Virginia Standards of Learning which are among the toughest in the nation, he abolished parole for violent offenders, reformed the juvenile justice system, attempted to cut taxes but couldn't get the rat legislature to go along, but he did make great gains in eliminating their huge lead. He helped make Virginia into the high tech capitol that it is today.

He came into the 1993 race 30 points down and turned it around and smashed mary sue terry by 59-41, she was the presumed favorite to win and not a pathetic candidate by any means. She was very popular at the time and allen was a nobody who won by the biggest margin for governor in almost 40 years. Yea he really is a pandering politician who has no accomplishments.


116 posted on 05/01/2006 12:37:16 PM PDT by SDGOP
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To: EternalVigilance

Your forgetting the point, absolute right to gun ownership means even criminals can own guns. I dont kno about you , but i dont want a bunch of thugs who already have violent tendencies to be able to walk into walmart and buy a gun at their pleasure.


117 posted on 05/01/2006 12:38:55 PM PDT by SDGOP
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To: Crackingham

Allen for President.


118 posted on 05/01/2006 12:41:21 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: SDGOP
I don't beleive for one second you don't have a candidate in this race, i think your supporting one of the rinos(rudy or romney) and are adopting this line of attack since you cant legitimately prop up either.

You're sorely mistaken.

119 posted on 05/01/2006 12:49:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Antoninus

Your tagline says that you won't vote for a liberal, regardless of party.

I won't either.

Which is why I won't vote for George Allen.

His abortion postion is anathema. Brainwaves? Viability? It's okay to abort babies with abnormalities? Come on. These are not the positions of a pro-lifer.

I also don't trust him any more than I do George Bush on immigration. They're playing the exact same political games with words on this critical issue.


120 posted on 05/01/2006 12:53:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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