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Convenience Store owner wants no part of lottery [NC]
News 14 Carolina ^ | April 1, 2006 | Adam Shub

Posted on 04/02/2006 7:18:53 AM PDT by TaxRelief

KINGS MOUNTAIN, N.C. --North Carolina retailers raked in an estimated $10 million Thursday, the first day of the state lottery.

But that doesn't sway Robert Arey, who has no desire to sell the tickets at the 15 convenience stores he owns in the Charlotte region. "You work for what you get," said Arey, who runs the One Stop Food Stores. "You don't win it."

Arey said he is morally opposed to the lottery, which he calls a "poor tax," and he doesn't expect his decision to cost him money.

In fact, he said, his stores in South Carolina actually saw an increase in sales when the lottery went into effect there a few years ago. He said his customers have told him how much they appreciate not having to wait in long lines behind lottery players: "'Thank you so much for not having it. We waited in one store for 15 minutes just to buy milk.'"

Arey said the lottery also isn't worth the 7 percent return in sales. The more traditional items, such as tobacco, potato chips and beverages, haul in a profit of 20 percent to 40 percent.

"We're in the convenience store business," Arey said, "and lottery is not convenient."

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Lottery sales in NC began on March 30, 2006. NC was the last state on the East Coast to get a lottery.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: gambling; nclottery; ncpolitics; ncstatelottery; statelottery
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To: TaxRelief
Interesting story.

I'm sure we all hate waiting in line while some inconsiderate idiot stands at the counter and scratches tickets. All it takes is a little training of the store employees to solve the problem.

I suggest a "scratching table" with tethered plastic scratchers for those stores that sell lottery tickets. Other stores correctly create a separate line for lottery ticket sales. During particularly heavy periods, it's easy for the manager to jump in and help out with the sales without interrupting sales of non lottery items.

A 7% return with no risk is fantastic. This is a great deal for the convenience stores. They simply have to manage the logistics of customer flow and sales staff availability.
21 posted on 04/02/2006 8:02:20 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Very interesting.This is either a brave move motivated by principle,or a smart business decision...or both.

I guess it doesn't matter - the intentions of an action are only secondary to the outcome of an action.

22 posted on 04/02/2006 8:06:37 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~¦ IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: TaxRelief

Lotteries are a tax on people who are really bad at math.


23 posted on 04/02/2006 8:19:21 AM PDT by HumbleButExceedinglyAccurate
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To: TaxRelief

Heard my first (annoying) radio commercial for the NC lottery this past Friday. Apparaently the target market really is very stupid. The irony is that it's called an Education lottery. Would proceeds plummet if they actually teach math more effectively?


24 posted on 04/02/2006 8:21:22 AM PDT by kcar
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
..the intentions of an action are only secondary to the outcome of an action.

OK.The principle outcome of his decision is that lottery tickets won't be sold at his stores.If this decision results in increased sales/profits for him (which the story seems to suggest could happen) then his motive would seem to be profit oriented.

But if this decision hurts his slays/profits,then one could argue that his motives are admirable,IMO.

25 posted on 04/02/2006 8:27:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Glenn
I stood behind an elderly lady at my local grocery store customer service counter while she bought her weekly supply of lottery tickets.

I hear you. I had to wait in line for roughly ten minutes trying to pay for $10 in gas recently because some lottery-obsessed 'old bat' kept buying and scratching; completely oblivious to the ten people in line behind her.

26 posted on 04/02/2006 8:28:01 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I didn't think of it like that!!


27 posted on 04/02/2006 8:31:06 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~¦ IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: kcar

Here in SC it's called the "Education Lottery" also. The lottery sales must be at an all time low since the state is using the profits to buy used school buses from other states. I know of NO ONE who has benefited from this scam.


28 posted on 04/02/2006 8:31:45 AM PDT by neal1960 (This space for rent.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
< or a smart business decision... > I vote for that. If I knew there was a convenince store or chain of convenience stores in my area that did not sell lottery tickets, I would make it a point to only stop there. My big issue with the lottery is not moral. If I drive up to a convenience store it means I only need a few things and I need to get out fast. Hmmm...maybe that's why they are called "convenience" stores. I am so tired of standing at a counter with milk and bread while people yell out "box 'em" or they stand there like a kid in a candy store trying to choose which kind of ticket they want. Worst of all are the people who stand at the counter to scratch the tickets off after buying them. I mean, can't a clerk just ask them politely to do it somewhere else? Heaven help you if you stop at a convenience store on Wednesday evening (our Powerball is announced on Wednsday nights). The lines are sometimes to the door. So, yes. If someone took a stand I would shop where they aren't sold. I'm afraid I would be in the minority, though. I've always thought there should be little kiosks placed around, like in parking lots (like film drop off and pick up kiosks). It would get these people out of the store. But that would defeat one of the purposes, wouldn't it? The object being to get people into the store. I've given up on convenience stores. They don't exist anymore. I just always stop at the grocery even if it's just a few items.
29 posted on 04/02/2006 8:33:07 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Jack Bauer wears Dick Cheney jammies.)
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To: GOP_Proud

Wow. Sorry for the way that post came out. I did, indeed, have paragraphs. I guess I didn't check the preview carefully.


30 posted on 04/02/2006 8:36:45 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Jack Bauer wears Dick Cheney jammies.)
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To: TaxRelief
Arey said he is morally opposed to the lottery, which he calls a "poor tax,"

All taxes are poor taxes, even taxes designed to "soak the rich" are actually taxes on the poor.
31 posted on 04/02/2006 8:51:56 AM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: GOP_Proud

Most of the gas stations in NC already have inadequate parking. Adding a lottery clientele has made it a little more difficult to "grab a gallon of milk" on the way home from work.


32 posted on 04/02/2006 8:58:45 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: NCSteve

>For the record, the "tax on the poor" argument is dumb.<

For the record you have not looked at the subject if you think that.The top 10 zip codes in Ga. for purchases of lottery tickets have the fewest Hope Scholarships.The 10 zip codes with the highest # of Hope scholars are among the lowest purchasesers of Lottery ticets.


33 posted on 04/02/2006 9:23:43 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: NCSteve

NCSteve, I saw that this morning at the Neighbors store in Lewisville, where I live, and they had the "lottery free" wording on their sign at the road (which sign will be illegal in October, due to sign size restrictions and amortization). I was kind of glad to see it. I usually pay at the pump for gas and don't go inside very often.

As for the lottery itself, I might play occasionally. I wonder if my church would accept some of my winnings to help pay off our new building loan? I suspect they would.

As for the guy who declines to sell lottery tickets but sells cigarettes and alcohol (I assume that is what he means by beverages), I have no problem with that. I don't care if he sells lottery tickets. No one is forced to buy any of them. There is no "poor tax." Taxes are mandatory, none of these purchases is. If you can't help but buy this stuff, you have no one to blame but yourself.

By the way, where in NC do you live?


34 posted on 04/02/2006 9:49:10 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: GOP_Proud
Since the lottery started last week here, the two times I have stopped in for gas I had to stand behind someone that wanted to scratch all five of their tickets right then and there. When I finally came to the counter, the cashier confirmed I had pumped gas and then asked and which type of lottery ticket would I want. I said none of them as I don't play. She looked at me like she couldn't believe someone in this state didn't want to throw their money away for 'education'

On a side note, the day the lottery started one of our local affiliates played an interview by the state superintendent. Now mind you this is the day the lottery started. She stated North Carolinians needed to realize the lottery won't pay for all that is needed for education but is just a supplement. Already setting the idiots up for higher taxes

35 posted on 04/02/2006 9:52:00 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: kcar

It is a tax on people to support a system that teaches evolution.

It is a tax on people who believe in very long odds improbably benefitting them to support a system that teaches that we are all the beneficiaries of incredibly longer odds.

In fact, the schools have a vested interrest in not teaching math better. If the general populace were trained in real math, understood the probabilities against winning, or understood skills that would actually benefit them in life, the lottery proceeds would plummet. The schools get more money when people do not understand math, business, are not able to be a success without hoping for a lottery win, and are buying more tickets.


36 posted on 04/02/2006 10:23:55 AM PDT by Geritol (All I need is another hole in my head...)
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To: billbears
NOTICE OF APPEAL IN LOTTERY CASE FILED NOTICE OF APPEAL IN LOTTERY CASE FILED
A Press Release by the North Carolina Institute for Constitutional Law

RALEIGH - The N.C. Institute for Constitutional Law, at the request of the Plaintiffs and with approval of its Board of Directors, has today filed a Notice of Appeal to the N.C. Court of Appeals from the Orders entered by Judge Henry Hight in the Lottery Act litigation. We anticipate that the N.C. Justice Center on behalf of the Plaintiffs/Intervenors may file a separate Notice of Appeal later this week. As soon as the Record on Appeal is filed, it is anticipated that a Petition for Discretionary Review will be filed on behalf of the Plaintiffs and Plaintiffs/Intervenors with the N.C. Supreme Court requesting the Court to take the case and bypass the Court of Appeals as well as to expedite the briefing and argument schedule.

"As we have indicated from the beginning of this litigation, we feel that there are vitally important constitutional questions relating to the passage of the N.C. Lottery Act that need to be resolved with finality by our state's highest court." said NCICL's Executive Director Robert Orr. "With the lottery beginning in N.C. this week, the need for the quickest possible resolution of these issues is imperative. Millions of dollars will have been taken in by the state and debts incurred by the state to pay winners, while the appeal process moves forward. The constitutional issues involved not only affect the Lottery Act but potentially impact legislative enactments in the future." he added.

"While disappointed in the Trial Court's decision, we still feel strongly about the merits of our constitutional arguments and look forward to presenting them at the appellate level." Orr said.

Thought you might find this press release (March 29, 2006) interesting. they have not updated their website ncicl.org as of yet.
37 posted on 04/02/2006 10:34:07 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: FReepaholic
That doesn't surprise me. I knew a guy in Alberta who was one of the most libertarian, independent, anti-government people I've ever met.

And yet he eventually sold his business and retired because he adamantly refused to put any video slot machines in his pub -- and was losing customers over it. I never understood how someone in that kind of business could take a moral stand on something like gambling, but I think I eventually figured it out. I suspect he wasn't opposed to gambling on truly "moral" grounds, but on the grounds that it represents a serious violation of the basic work ethic that had driven his ancestors to settle out there and earn a living the hard way. In his mind, the notion that you can get something without working for it is probably the most destructive force in the world today.

38 posted on 04/02/2006 10:55:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: neal1960
The lottery sales must be at an all time low since the state is using the profits to buy used school buses from other states.

They can get a bunch from Louisiana...

39 posted on 04/02/2006 11:47:55 AM PDT by JRios1968 (E=mc3...the origin of "friends don't let friends derive drunk.")
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To: TaxRelief

RALEIGH - The NC State Lottery sales results for part of Thursday (the first day of sales) have been released.

Unofficial estimates from some elected officials put sales at $10 million with pay outs at $1,350,000 on Thursday. Other unofficial estimates put Thursday's sales at $8 million with only $110,000 in payouts.


40 posted on 04/02/2006 12:11:11 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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