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52% of Americans: Impeach Bush on wiretaps (Zogby)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 16 January 2006

Posted on 01/15/2006 9:42:01 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

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To: Aussie Dasher

Look at the question:

"If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

It's a deliberately inflammatory theoretical question that's carefully drafted to get a "yes" answer. It applies to all types of wiretapping, not just the NSA wiretapping that's being challenged. Zogby is deliberately thumbing the scale with this question.

Answering "no" to this question is a lot like answering "no" to the question, "Should people be allowed to slowly strangle loving, playful six week old Labrador puppies?"


121 posted on 01/16/2006 6:56:50 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Zogster is unreliable. As biased more more so then Ipsos.

I agree that Zogby is simple slanted claptrap, but Ipsos is a bit more. Ipsos is a marketing company, and it is not only highly questionable for the MSM to cite it as a "neutral" source for opinion polls, I think that it is clear that conservatives should challenge it on those grounds.

From Ipsos website:

Some of Our Specialties

[ ... ]

Social Marketing and Policy Development

[ ... ]

We have extensive experience in understanding the development of public attitudes and how to shift attitude dimensions to change behaviors. This knowledge and experience applies to social marketing campaigns for government and organizations. We work with clients to develop, communicate, and investigate the impact on policy.

For a company to openly proclaim that they are paid to shape political opinion and then to also offer "polls" on those opinions is unacceptable in my estimation. For any news source to then offer those polls as unbiased is not only unacceptable, it is indefensible in my opinion. I think that this is the equivalent to naively accepting DNC "poll" results and running them as straight news.

122 posted on 01/16/2006 7:01:07 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: RobbyS

Zogby should be deported.


123 posted on 01/16/2006 7:05:22 AM PST by LibertarianCandidate
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To: Aussie Dasher
"If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

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Here is how the queston should have been asked: "If President Bush, with sophisticated NSA computers, using his powers as commander in chief, and as been similiarly done by previous presidents, intercepted communications coming to America from known al Qaeda sources, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

None of us want a president putting hardwire taps on our phones. That is what a large percentage of stupid people would have thought when asked Zogby's question.

124 posted on 01/16/2006 7:08:04 AM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: doug from upland

The same people who could not pass a 9th grade-level civics test.


125 posted on 01/16/2006 7:22:53 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SALChamps03
Actually, statistically, with about 1,000 truly randomly selected people, you can be 95% certain that your result is within 4 or 5% of the actual beliefs of the population. Where did you get the 10% figure?

1,200 people is 0.0004% of the population, anyway. You're confusing the fraction and the percentage.

126 posted on 01/16/2006 7:46:55 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Aussie Dasher

If ANY President violated the Law he should be impeached.

However it's not been proven that a Judge's approval was required prior to the wiretap orders being given.

Furthermore, I would personally PREFER that the Government monitor ALL phone calls coming IN or going OUT of the Country.

In country calls are another matter.


127 posted on 01/16/2006 7:49:50 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Navy Patriot

i agree the numbers don't add up seems heavy demoRAT. Like to see a poll based on flyover states.


128 posted on 01/16/2006 8:12:09 AM PST by Omglol
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To: Aussie Dasher

No freakin' way more than half of Americans want to impeach Bush. Zogby's special sauce again, I'm sure...


129 posted on 01/16/2006 8:12:40 AM PST by RockinRight ("It's as if all the brain-damaged people in America got together and formed a voting bloc" - Coulter)
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To: umgud
67% of Americans approve of the wiretaps, but 52% of the people Zogby polled want to impeach over them?

Poll Question: Do you support wiretapping of American citizens by the President if such wiretapping would lead to impeachment of the President?

130 posted on 01/16/2006 8:23:01 AM PST by bygolly
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To: staytrue
New Zogby poll just released..........

"Should blind children be used for distance markers on a golf course ?"

97% say no its cruel, 3% didn't understand the question.

MSM BREAKING NEWS....97% want to ban golf..details at 11.
131 posted on 01/16/2006 8:36:19 AM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Young Scholar

"What the class really taught me was how easy it is to lie with statistics."

Glad you learned. It is just one more "usful" trick of the MSM (primarily), but EPA, Dept of Energy, Homeland Security, HUD, partisan legislators, DoD, Dept State, Education, Labor, the Clinton's.....

Hmmm...they all seem so expert...


132 posted on 01/16/2006 8:36:29 AM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Zog has really gone off the deep end on this one. maybe his brother is worried he was monitored on one of those foreign intercepts.


133 posted on 01/16/2006 8:38:27 AM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Didn't Zogby recently have a poll where a large percentage thought that Bush wasn't listening enough to the American people?


134 posted on 01/16/2006 8:40:57 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Wiretapping DIDN'T HAPPEN. Why do they keep saying this. What's a wiretap? It's putting a bug on your phone line which didn't happen. What NSA and W did DOESN'T NEED WARRANTS.


135 posted on 01/16/2006 8:41:33 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Pukin Dog

You didn't think they were just going to give up after having their asses handed to them in the Alito hearings, did you? When have they shown enough sense to cut their losses in the past?


136 posted on 01/16/2006 8:45:56 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Aussie Dasher
If this is true then the terrorists are right. We don't have the will to fight a war let alone win it. We might as well pack in now and scurry back to our hole where we'll be safe until they get a nuke in our backyard.

I just don't understand the mentality of people who don't understand the battle we face! This is a life and death struggle but too many americans don't know it and they've already forgotten 9/11. If we keep pussyfooting around with these people, life as we know it will be over.

137 posted on 01/16/2006 8:46:34 AM PST by Paco
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The question is unqualified ...

"If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

Other poll questions insert a range of qualifying notions, such as "international calls," and "contact with suspected terrorists." The question inserts the weasly "should Congress consider" phrase too. That is not the same as "should the President be," that most readers of the results will impute.

Others have pointed out that the poll has the function of keeping the dialogue going, and then in terms that are not favorable to the President.

The good news is that Presindet Bush is warmed up to having public hearings. Keep in mind tha so far he has not told "much" of his side of the story.

Approval of the "wiretapping" will depend on its scope and specific rationale. Nixon's enemies list was unpopular, as a way of historical example.

138 posted on 01/16/2006 8:56:22 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Aussie Dasher
A dodgy poll or has America gone loopy?

Yes.

139 posted on 01/16/2006 8:59:13 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Aussie Dasher

gee! If Zogby, and WorldNetDaily say it's so, it must be true!

sheesh!


140 posted on 01/16/2006 9:00:28 AM PST by Bean Counter ("That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.")
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