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A million martyrs await the call (They want to die and we want to kill them.)
The Times (London) ^ | November 19, 2005 | Kevin Toolis

Posted on 11/19/2005 5:00:05 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

THEY WERE not hard to spot — the dead tanks — as they littered the sides of the main Baghdad-Tehran highway deep inside Iran. Heavy twisted monsters, blasted by artillery, mounted on stone plinths like trophies as a warning to any other army that came to fight and die here, as Saddam’s divisions had done. After 40 I stopped counting.

On the Iranian border itself the little town of Mehran had become a shrine to martyrdom and death. Like a mini-Stalingrad, it had been razed three times during the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88, its streets filled with the corpses of Iranian child soldiers sacrificed in human-wave assaults; but in the end the Iranians expelled the invader at an awesome human cost.

Saddam has gone, but Mehran is once more in the front line of potential war. The Iran-Iraq border is just a few miles to the west of the town on a flat plain — ideal tank country. The border itself is marked by a meandering stream but on either side now are the opposing armies of the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran, all waiting for orders from above. If the Americans do ever invade then it will be here, as the shortest distance to Tehran from Baghdad; and that little stream the Rubicon for a war of unimaginable consequences.

In No10 the tom-toms of war of war are drumming again as Tony Blair warns that he will not tolerate the meddling hand of Iran in the affairs of Iraq. In Washington the neoconservative tom-toms are even louder, warning that the West must “surgically strike” at Iran’s hidden nuclear facilities and robustly challenge Iranian state-sponsored terrorism. Nor it seems can the EU countenance Iran’s rise as a nuclear power either. A new nuclear crisis now looms later this month with the threat of UN Security Council sanctions over Iran’s controversial nuclear programme.

In Tehran the hardline President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has done little for foreign relations with his chilling call for Israel to be wiped off the map. We are, it seems, close to the on-ramp for another spectacular confrontation in the Middle East.

But before we succumb again to the hysterical warnings of our leaders it is worth seeking a cold-eyed measure of this new enemy they would have us fight. Iraq and Iran are very different. Iran is nearly four times the size of its neighbour and six times the size of Britain. How could an already undermanned American army expect to control such a huge territory?

Nor will those already fabled “surgical strikes” by the US Air Force deliver a decisive blow to Iran’s growing nuclear capability. Iran’s nuclear plants are already well hidden across its huge land mass. And all that a partial strike will do is unleash an unstoppable war without significantly damaging the enemy’s capability.

Iran’s population at 70 million is three times that of Iraq’s and it has one of the youngest populations in the world. Iran’s standing army is estimated by the CIA to be 520,000-strong, but each year 817,000 17-year-old Iranian boys are potentially available for military service. That is an awful lot of martyrs or suicide bombers.

The Iranians are Persians, not Arabs, a consideration entirely absent from most neoconservative analyses of Iran’s supposed weakness. Persian imperial dynasties date back to Cyrus the Great, around 530BC, and Xerxes, 486-465BC, who plagued the Greeks.Unlike the chaotic Arab shambles of Saddam’s Iraq, Iran remains a hierarchical society where the vast majority live in rigid terror of the authorities above them, religious or imperial, and will utterly obey their commands.

In many ways Ayatollah Khomeini, who came to power in 1979, was the greatest Persian Emperor, fusing his own version of Shia Islam into a state ideology. And during the Iran-Iraq war he revived the ancient Shia tradition of martyrdom: hundreds of thousands of soldiers, many of them children, died in futile suicidal assaults over minefields. “The Tree of Islam has to be watered with the blood of martyrs,” said Khomeini without regret.

Martyrdom is still the state religion. Huge posters of the war dead and Palestinian and Lebanese suicide bombers dominate every surface in Tehran and every speech of the political leadership. Any attempt to threaten or invade Iran will be a huge asset to a regime longing to re-energise its faded legitimacy among its own downtrodden population. Invasion by the Great Satan would be a godsend.

Nor should we underestimate Iran’s capacity to punish its enemies at long range. In 1982 Iran sent a thousand revolutionary guards to Lebanon to spread the Islamic revolution. The plan failed but Iran was behind three of the greatest acts of postwar terrorism: the American Embassy bombing in Beirut and the blowing up of the US Marine and French paratrooper barracks by suicide bombers in 1983. The French and the Americans left Lebanon in defeat soon afterwards.

Iraq is a mess but widening the conflict by attacking Iran would be an act of madness. That little stream on the western edge of Mehran is a Rubicon we must never cross.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: FerdieMurphy

Are you talking about Muslims or Democrats ? ;-)


2 posted on 11/19/2005 5:06:07 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: FerdieMurphy

.....If the Americans do ever invade then it will be here, as the shortest distance to Tehran from Baghdad........

It was this reasoning that caused Hitler to keep his Panzer divisions defending the Pais de Calis while being invaded at Normandy.


3 posted on 11/19/2005 5:10:30 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . (FR = a lotta talk, but little action))
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To: FerdieMurphy
America fought back...The World needs to get over it and join the fight or get out of the way and learn to enjoy thier new chains.
4 posted on 11/19/2005 5:13:12 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: FerdieMurphy
three times during the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88, its streets filled with the corpses of Iranian child soldiers sacrificed in human-wave assaults; but in the end the Iranians expelled the invader at an awesome human cost.

Yea, whoop de doo. The American military is vastly superior to what Saddam had at the best of times.

How could an already undermanned American army expect to control such a huge territory?

Thats right Times UK, dream your little fantasies that America is tapped out.

We are not even close. This isn't piddly England.

And Iranian Mullahs.

You do the wrong thing with weapons, we get hit in this country again. Expect to be wiped off the face of he earth and nothing will stop that.

5 posted on 11/19/2005 5:16:09 AM PST by A message
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To: bert

If I recall, the Iraqis never expected our M1A1's to come thru the desert either..


6 posted on 11/19/2005 5:18:54 AM PST by Uddercha0s
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To: FerdieMurphy
There is absolutely nothing good to be found in Islam or the Koran. The Koran is an evil collection of the meanderings of a sick, plageristic mind spewed forth to a people who are ignorant followers of a pervert.

Christianity has had some pretty sick, perverted days. On the other hand, Islam has had some pretty moderate times. I think it's more a question of nationalism and middle-eastern failure than a problem of religion. Any religion can be perverted by evil misfits.

7 posted on 11/19/2005 5:21:24 AM PST by bkepley
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To: fieldmarshaldj
This entire article could have been cut and pasted from one written about Iraq a few years ago. This would be the same army that fought Saddam to a stand still for 8 years.

Martyrs are not Marines! Their targets!
8 posted on 11/19/2005 5:22:10 AM PST by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad (and proud of it))
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To: bkepley

Christianity has never had a sick day in its life. What was done in the name of Christianity can be found no where in the New Testament (burning people at the stake, torture etc.) The Koran on the other hand and Islam itself is based upon such things.


9 posted on 11/19/2005 5:28:52 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

There does appear to be striking similarities doesn't there?


10 posted on 11/19/2005 5:29:38 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: bkepley
Christianity has had some pretty sick, perverted days.

What are talking about? You can not point to ONE solitary thing in the New or Old Testament which directs anyone to do sick, perverted things?

Qualify your statement!

11 posted on 11/19/2005 5:31:11 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Recon Dad
The Iranians and the Times of London need to watch the first part of "Patton" again, they could get an understanding of our culture.

1. Americans love a winner, the very idea of losing, to us, is hateful.

2. We understand that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country, he won by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his, (which seems to be the opposite of the Middle Eastern theory of how to win a war.)

12 posted on 11/19/2005 5:33:53 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: normy
Christianity has never had a sick day in its life.

Don't read much history do you?

What was done in the name of Christianity can be found no where in the New Testament (burning people at the stake, torture etc.) The Koran on the other hand and Islam itself is based upon such things.

What are your qualifications to make such statements? Are you a middle-eastern scholar or just a hate-spewing Christian?

13 posted on 11/19/2005 5:33:59 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley
Christianity has had some pretty sick, perverted days.


The favorite and patented argument for C.A.I.R., Islamic militants, and radical leftist.


Taking a few radical leaders who forwarded a radical agenda buy hijacking Christianity can not be compared even remotely to the "sick perversions and violence" that your koran promotes and demands of its followers!
14 posted on 11/19/2005 5:38:42 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: bkepley
What does the history of people who call themselves Christians have to do with whats written on the pages of the Bible? If I take the term Christian and use it for my own purpose that doesn't mean I am representing the teachings of Jesus.

Why do I need to be a Middle eastern scholar? Do I need to be a meteorologist to see that its raining? If Islam was the third part in the trilogy of God as many have said, then include The Old Testament, the New Testament and the "third testament" in your Koran. You can't because it doesn't fit.

15 posted on 11/19/2005 5:40:43 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"They want to die, we want to kill them."

Kinda like match-dot-com. Supply, meet demand.


16 posted on 11/19/2005 5:41:10 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

..does pig urine come in a spray can?


Doogle


17 posted on 11/19/2005 5:45:06 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Martyrdom is still the state religion. Huge posters of the war dead and Palestinian and Lebanese suicide bombers dominate every surface in Tehran and every speech of the political leadership.

We're up against psychopaths.

18 posted on 11/19/2005 5:49:16 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: bkepley
He's saying, which you seem unable to comprehend, that Christianity as defined by the Bible does not, and has not, done the sick things you refer too.

Yes, people have done terrible things in Christ's name. The evidence speaks for itself that they were not acting as Christians. The Bible does not condone those things and Jesus never behaved that way or asked others to behave that way.

Islam on the other hand, in many ways today, is being practiced just as they were told to practice it by the Koran (Mohammad). Mohammad did do those things. Murder, rape and enslave. He told his followers to do those things.

I think you're smart enough to see the difference.
19 posted on 11/19/2005 5:53:43 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: dagoofyfoot

>Taking a few radical leaders who forwarded a radical agenda buy hijacking Christianity

Or Islam? Christians burned the library at Alexandria. Probably history's greatest crime.


20 posted on 11/19/2005 5:55:30 AM PST by bkepley
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