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Has the Biblical Goliath Been Found?
IMRA ^ | November 10, 2005

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:37:28 AM PST by SJackson

CONTACT: Elana Oberlander, Office of the Spokesman, Bar-Ilan University

Has the Biblical Goliath Been Found?

Bar-Ilan University Archaeologists Unearth Earliest Philistine Inscription in Which Names Similar to Goliath Appear

Ramat Gan - A very small ceramic sherd unearthed by Bar-Ilan University archaeologists digging at Tell es-Safi, the biblical city "Gath of the Philistines", may hold a very large clue into the history of the well-known biblical figure Goliath. The sherd, which contains the earliest known Philistine inscription ever to be discovered, mentions two names that are remarkably similar to the name "Goliath". Tell es-Safi/Gath is located in the southern coastal plain of Israel, approximately halfway between Ashkelon and Jerusalem.

The discovery is of particular importance since the Bible attributes Gath as the home town of Goliath. "Gath of the Philistines," was one of the major cities of the Philistines, the well-known arch-enemies of the Israelites in the biblical text. The archaeological find may also be seen as the first clear extra-biblical evidence that the well-known biblical story of the battle between David and Goliath (and, in particular, the very existence of a figure such as Goliath during the biblical period) may be more than just a legend, according to Prof. Aren Maeir, Chairman of Bar-Ilan University's Martin (Szusz) Department of Land of Israel Studies and Archaeology, who has been directing the excavations since they began in 1996. Prof. Maeir will present his findings next week at the conference of the American Schools of Oriental Research in the U.S. city of Philadelphia.

Other recent findings uncovered at the recent excavations at Tell es-Safi include a large assortment of objects of various types which are linked to Philistine culture. Additional remains relating to the siege system constructed by Hazael, King of Aram Damascus around 800 BCE, were revealed, along with extensive evidence of the subsequent capture and destruction of the city by Hazael, as mentioned in Second Kings 12:18. Remains of the Crusader period fortress, Blanche Garde, built after the first Crusade in the mid-twelfth century CE, were also discovered.

Written in archaic "Proto-Canaanite" letters, the inscription found on the sherd, dating to the 10th or early 9th century BCE, contains two non-Semitic names: Alwt and Wlt. Most scholars believe the name Goliath, of non-Semitic origin, is etymologically related to various Indo-European names, such as the Lydian name Aylattes. Following intense examination of the inscription, Prof. Maeir (along with his colleagues Prof. Aaron Demsky, an expert in epigraphy at Bar-Ilan University, and Dr. Stefan Wimmer, of Munich University) has concluded that the two names which appear in the inscription are remarkably similar to the etymological parallels of Goliath.

"It can be suggested that in 10th-9th century Philistine Gath, names quite similar, and possibly identical, to Goliath were in use," says Prof. Maeir. "This chronological context from which the inscription was found is only about 100 years after the time of David according to the standard biblical chronology. Thus, this appears to provide evidence that the biblical story of Goliath is, in fact, based on a clear cultural realia from, more or less, the time which is depicted in the biblical text, and recent attempts to claim that Goliath can only be understood in the context of later phases of the Iron Age are unwarranted."

While the letters are Semitic, the names appearing in the inscription are Indo-European (the linguistic family of ancient Greek and related languages). It is assumed by most scholars that the Philistines migrated to the Levant from somewhere in the Aegean region. On their arrival, they brought with them assorted Aegean cultural facets. With time, their culture became more and more effected by the local cultures, slowly incorporating local elements. This inscription, with Semitic script and Indo-European names, is among the earliest hard evidence showing this process.

The Tell es-Safi/Gath Archaeological Project is a long-term investigation aimed at studying the archaeology and history of one of the most important sites in Israel. Tell es-Safi is one of the largest tells (ancient ruin mounds) in Israel and was settled almost continuously from the 5th millennium BCE until modern times.

Continuous excavations of the site are planned for at least the next decade.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; goliath; history; letshavejerusalem; philistia; philistine; philistines
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To: SJackson

"It is assumed by most scholars that the Philistines migrated to the Levant from somewhere in the Aegean region."

I thought it was established that they were from Mycenae?


81 posted on 11/10/2005 12:38:34 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: frgoff
Which, of course, is why they all use the Christ as 0-year marker in their calendaring system as opposed to the Jewish calendar, the Mayan calander, the Japanese calender, the Muslim calendar, etc.

The Western numbering of years is generally accepted. There are other systems out there, but most people on the planet are familiar with this system, certainly more familiar than with any other system.

However, archeology is an international profession. Many of the important archeological sites are in Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc. countries. For the sake of professional collegiality, it would seem to make sense to eliminate controversial things like references to Jesus in dates.

82 posted on 11/10/2005 12:39:20 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Maury

"What's with this 'BCE' and 'CE' dating crap?"

Well, that's quite a provincial comment. :)

IMRA is Israeli, and Jews don't use the Christian calendar or date from the birth of Jesus.

BCE means Before the Common Era.


83 posted on 11/10/2005 12:40:33 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: SJackson

I imagine Jesus who was -- after all -- a Jew would be totally familiar with dating by the Jewish calendar (today being 8 Mar-Cheshvan 5766) rather than this newfangled BC/AD BCE/CE stuff so maybe you've been anti-Christ-ian!


84 posted on 11/10/2005 12:41:42 PM PST by avital2
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To: SJackson

If they unearth a skeletal hand with six fingers or a foot with six toes, I'd say they found Goliath.


85 posted on 11/10/2005 12:44:47 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Designer

"The Drs. Lerner are scientists don't you see? And in order to be a "respected" scientist these days, one is required to discount anything religious. They now refer to it as "superstition" to further remove any residual credibility. In other words, it is just more PC BS."

No, they're JEWISH scientists who don't believe in Jesus as Messiah.


86 posted on 11/10/2005 12:48:42 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: RHS in Fairfield
The BC and AD dating system is too fuzzy for precise dating since no one knows for sure in which year Jesus was born or even the month and day.

Huh?

The dating system is fixed. The only variance there is between the Julain and Gregorian calenders. The BC vs. BCE each use the same dating system and only change what they call it.

It is also inaccurate to use AD for dates after Jesus birth but before his death. And for those who believe he never died, the term AD is completely meaningless in any case.

A.D. is short for the Latin, Anno Domini, which means "In the year of our Lord". It was measured from the year they thought he was born. That they were apparently off a few years, is not at all changed by the B.C. vs. BCE issue.

87 posted on 11/10/2005 12:56:50 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: MineralMan
In the example of this story, why would Jewish archaeologists refer to Christ in their dating.

Why did Jews do so for hundreds of years? It's just a common dating system. Why is it considered "common"? It was only common to those nations which referenced Christ's birth, and thus convenient.

88 posted on 11/10/2005 1:00:39 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Rebelbase
Andre the Giant was cremated and his ashes spread over his farm in the Sand Hills of NC.

...to a depth of three and one-half feet. :)

89 posted on 11/10/2005 1:04:04 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: avital2
I imagine Jesus who was -- after all -- a Jew would be totally familiar with dating by the Jewish calendar (today being 8 Mar-Cheshvan 5766) rather than this newfangled BC/AD BCE/CE stuff so maybe you've been anti-Christ-ian!

He would be.

90 posted on 11/10/2005 1:09:35 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: adam_az
Actually Dr. Aaron Lerner is a journalist/translator and compiler of arabic publications. He didn't write the article, he posted it on his site.
91 posted on 11/10/2005 1:13:39 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: lepton

lol!


92 posted on 11/10/2005 2:24:01 PM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: Rebelbase

The homosexual community will hear of this find and claim they found him in a pink tutu and will claim him gay!


93 posted on 11/10/2005 2:26:47 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Preachin'
The year 1 by our reckoning is always referred to to as -4 B.C.E. (before common era) by those who use the B.C.E and C.E> dating methods.

Ummm. Nope. We just recognize that Jesus was probably born in 4 B.C. (with some arguments for 6 B.C.), which is also described as 4 BCE. It's just one of those historical oddities due to messed up records.

This has nothing to do with dates or systems, since they match, and has only to do with sticking a finger in the eye.

94 posted on 11/10/2005 3:50:41 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SJackson
Where's the beef bones?

I HATE headline writers!

Goliath has NOT been found; possible mention of a cognate of the name "Goliath" was found.

This is like finding a reference to Ianus on Patmos, and saying they found Saint John.

95 posted on 11/10/2005 4:05:59 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Maury
"What's with this 'BCE' and 'CE' dating crap?"

Hmmm. Maybe it has something to do with Herod having died in 4 BC.
96 posted on 11/10/2005 6:25:48 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Maury

...or maybe something to do with Caligula becoming Rome's third emperor in 37. ...or Hadrian.


97 posted on 11/10/2005 6:28:34 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Maury

I refer to B.C.E. as Before Christ Existed so there little change of names does no good


98 posted on 11/10/2005 6:29:24 PM PST by conservadavid
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To: MineralMan
First of all, BCE and CE aren't used exclusively in archeology. There are a number of dating systems. BCE/CE isn't religion neutral its a hostile attempt to usurp the time frames tracked by Christians.
99 posted on 11/10/2005 6:52:10 PM PST by Varda
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To: lepton
"This has nothing to do with dates or systems, since they match, and has only to do with sticking a finger in the eye."

Nah. Even the following, though it implies disagreement on dates in religion, isn't "sticking a finger in the eye" or anything like that.

"The Name Jesus and Also the Name Christ Were Known from the Beginning, and Were Honored by the Inspired Prophets . . . Thus Moses bestowed the name of our Saviour, Jesus Christ, . . . " [Eusebius (265CE-340CE, one of the fathers of the Christian Church and writers of the New Testament), History of the Church, Book 1, Chapter 3].

...another quote to do with dates and the like.

"But it is highly probable that the works of the ancients, which he says they had, were the Gospels and the writings of the apostles, and probably some expositions of the ancient prophets, such as are contained in the Epistle to the Hebrews, and in many others of Paul's Epistles" [Eusebius (265CE-340CE, one of the fathers of the Christian Church and writers of the New Testament), History of the Church, Book 2, Chapter 17].

From the Catholic Encyclopedia - New Advent
"The Fathers of the Church"
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
100 posted on 11/10/2005 8:01:56 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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