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Shaped from clay [origin of life]
Nature Magazine ^ | 03 November 2005 | Philip Ball

Posted on 11/04/2005 5:00:06 AM PST by PatrickHenry

Minerals help molecules thought to have been essential for early life to form.

A team of US scientists may have found the 'primordial womb' in which the first life on Earth was incubated.

Lynda Williams and colleagues at Arizona State University in Tempe have discovered that certain types of clay mineral convert simple carbon-based molecules to complex ones in conditions mimicking those of hot, wet hydrothermal vents (mini-volcanoes on the sea bed). Such complex molecules would have been essential components of the first cell-like systems on Earth.

Having helped such delicate molecules to form, the clays can also protect them from getting broken down in the piping hot water issuing from the vents, the researchers report in the journal Geology [Williams L. B., et al. Geology, 33. 913 - 916 (2005).].

"It's very interesting that the clays preserve them," says James Ferris, a specialist on the chemical origins of life at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York. "It shows that this could be an environment where complex organic molecules can be formed."

Some like it hot

Hydrothermal vents are created when seawater that has seeped through cracks in the seafloor is heated by magma just below the surface. The water streams back out of the rock in a plume that can reach temperatures of around 400 °C.

Vents are a favourite candidate for the site where life first appeared. Their heat provides an energy source; the minerals provide nutrients; and the deep-sea setting would have protected primitive organisms from the destructive meteorite impacts that scoured the planet's surface early in its history.

But researchers have long wondered how, if early life did form in this environment, it escaped being boiled and fried by the harsh conditions.

The Arizona State team has shown that clay minerals commonly found at vents can encase organic molecules, keeping them intact.

Between the sheets

The group simulated the vent environment in the laboratory, immersing various types of clay in pressurized water at 300 °C for several weeks and looking at the fate of a simple organic compound, methanol, in this stew. They chose methanol because their earlier work had shown that the compound could be formed in a vent environment from simple gases such as carbon dioxide and hydrogen.

Clays generally consist of sheets made of aluminium, silicon and oxygen atoms, which are stacked on top of one another. In some of these materials, such as the clays saponite and montmorillonite, there is room for other atoms and molecules to slip between the layers.

Spouting soup

The researchers found that the methanol in their artificial vent system was converted to various large organic molecules over six weeks or so, so long as the clay's layers were spaced widely enough to hold the compounds.

"The clay provides a safe haven for the organic molecules, essentially like a 'primordial womb'," the team reports. Eventually, changes in the clay's mineral structure caused by heat, pressure and time may cause the sheets to close up and expel the molecules inside. But they think that some of these could spout out from the clay into less hostile environments than the hottest part of the vent, creating an organic soup in which life might arise.

These findings add weight to the idea that clays were the key to the origin of life. Previous research has shown that clays act as catalysts for the formation of polymer molecules such as the precursors of proteins and DNA. They can also encourage lipid molecules to arrange themselves into cell-like compartments called vesicles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; catastrophism; clay; crevolist; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; origins; shaped; shapedfromclay; thomasgold
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To: Varda

2 Corinthians 1:12-14

 12Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, in the holiness and sincerity that are from God. We have done so not according to worldly wisdom but according to God's grace. 13For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, 14as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

161 posted on 11/04/2005 12:47:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Quark2005

I took this to mean that he had personal observations of red shift.

"After his ordination in 1923, Lemaitre studied math and science at Cambridge University, where one of his professors, Arthur Eddington, was the director of the observatory.
For his research at Cambridge, Lemaitre reviewed the general theory of relativity. As with Einstein’s calculations ten years earlier, Lemaitre’s calculations showed that the universe had to be either shrinking or expanding. But while Einstein imagined an unknown force — a cosmological constant — which kept the world stable, Lemaitre decided that the universe was expanding. He came to this conclusion after observing the reddish glow, known as a red shift, surrounding objects outside of our galaxy." http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0022.


162 posted on 11/04/2005 12:47:54 PM PST by Varda
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To: Quark2005
...scientists shouldn't have bashed the man's idea...

Such bashings in science tend to be short lived, particularly if the new idea is a mathematically correct extrapolation of an existing theory.

163 posted on 11/04/2005 12:48:28 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Quark2005

Should the EvoGuy said "Most" do? ;^)


164 posted on 11/04/2005 12:48:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

"Sea floor spreading needs a FLOOR to spread and according to the Pangea theory, there was NO floor until it broke apart into our continents. "

Oh, my. Pangaea probably existed about 225 mya. Do you suppose that the Earth just sat there for the first 4 billion years? Current thinking has several supercontinents, splitting up and reforming. Most likely, the Earth was even more active earlier in its history.

You do need to think about these things before writing.


165 posted on 11/04/2005 12:49:18 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Elsie
Sea floor spreading needs a FLOOR to spread and according to the Pangea theory, there was NO floor until it broke apart into our continents.

The oceans didn't have a floor back then? What kept the water from pouring out the bottom?

Realtor to a southern house-hunter: "This house has no flaws."
House-hunter's response: "Then what d'yall stand on?"

:-)

166 posted on 11/04/2005 12:50:47 PM PST by Antonello
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To: Elsie

To see what the Earth most likely looked like before Pangaea ever formed, and what it is likely to look like some 250 million years in the future, go here:

http://www.scotese.com/earth.htm

Learning is good.


167 posted on 11/04/2005 1:00:23 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: js1138; MineralMan

Alrighty, if you fellas are gonna start discussing sciatica or prostate glands or whatever, I'm outta here...


168 posted on 11/04/2005 1:09:56 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Elsie

See now private interpretation seems to be saying to you something different than what that passage says to me. You seem to be suggesting that Paul is using "we" as in "we scripture writers". I don't see that, he is talking about letters he has written to the Corinthians not scripture in general.


169 posted on 11/04/2005 1:16:55 PM PST by Varda
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To: RoadTest
Your point is that you have faith that the Bible is the word of God and can be used as an authority in all cases.

The only evidence we have for the author of the Bible, or any book for that matter, is that, so far, only humans create text. This evidence leads me to believe that the Bible was written by a primitive nontechnical society and can not be used as an authority in anything other than that society.
170 posted on 11/04/2005 1:20:42 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

"Alrighty, if you fellas are gonna start discussing sciatica or prostate glands or whatever, I'm outta here..."

Nossir. None of that organ recital business around here. Now, just let me get my cane and toddle off...


171 posted on 11/04/2005 1:22:12 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Mutation itself isn't truly random. It occurs more frequently in some parts of the genome than in others.

"That may still be truly random, only that the underlying distribution isn't uniform. Having a uniform distribution isn't all that important as the distribution may be changed by looking at things differently.

And if it happens in the same areas across related species?

172 posted on 11/04/2005 1:28:29 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic

(Don't encourage him, he's been waiting for a probability post just so he could use that one for a while)


173 posted on 11/04/2005 1:30:47 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: js1138; From many - one.; MineralMan

Elitists!


174 posted on 11/04/2005 1:35:36 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp

"Elitists!"

Darned straight! We didn't get to this advanced age without meaning to take advantage of it. You younguns will just have to wait to enjoy all the fun benefits of hitting 60...oh, wait...what were those benefits again?


175 posted on 11/04/2005 1:39:58 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Elsie
"Sea floor spreading needs a FLOOR to spread and according to the Pangea theory, there was NO floor until it broke apart into our continents.

What?

176 posted on 11/04/2005 1:43:45 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Elsie
You might want to check with Coyoteman about this, as he is a resident Creation Story expert.

(Coyoteman pinged as a courtesy since I mentioned his name, too.)


Thanks but I am giving the creation stories a rest. I think I made the point I intended, and I don't want to overdo it.

Now, if I could interest you in a nice story about radiocarbon dating, just let me know!

177 posted on 11/04/2005 1:53:22 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: mikeus_maximus
...random selection...

As Bob Hope in the classic western Son of Paleface said to a couple of special effect buzzards/penguins ... "You're making it ridiculous!"

178 posted on 11/04/2005 1:58:58 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: js1138
Clay has been under suspicion as significant in biogenesis since at least 1966.

Even more significant than Liston?

179 posted on 11/04/2005 2:02:49 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: metmom; Antonello
Mammals of a very primitive sort are around before the end of the Triassic. The earliest bird so far is the late-Jurassic Archaeopteryx. It looks like mammals get the nod, although there's some potential for finding flying and almost-flying ancestors of Archy.
180 posted on 11/04/2005 2:04:39 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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