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French Rioters Shoot at Police, Fire Crews
AP ^ | November 3, 2005 | JAMEY KEATEN

Posted on 11/03/2005 9:00:21 AM PST by West Coast Conservative

Rioting youths shot at police and firefighters Thursday after burning car dealerships and public buses and hurling rocks at commuter trains. France's government faced growing pressure to curb the violence, fueled by anger over poor conditions in suburban Paris housing projects.

Rampaging for an eighth day, youths ignored an appeal for calm from French President Jacques Chirac, whose government worked feverishly to fend off a political crisis amid criticism that it has ignored problems in suburbs heavily populated by first- and second-generation North African and Muslim immigrants.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin called a string of emergency meetings with Cabinet ministers throughout the day. He told the Senate the government "will not give in" to violence in the troubled suburbs.

"Order and justice will be the final word in our country," Villepin said. "The return to calm and the restoration of public order are the priority _ our absolute priority."

The riots started last Thursday after the electrocution deaths of two teenagers hiding in a power station from police they believed were chasing them in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois.

By Wednesday night, violence had spread to at least 20 Paris-region towns, said Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official for the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris where the violence has been concentrated. He said youths in the region fired four shots at riot police and firefighters but caused no injuries.

Nine people were injured in Seine-Saint-Denis and 315 cars burned across the Paris area, officials said. In the tough northeastern suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois, youth gangs set fire to a Renault car dealership and burned at least a dozen cars, a supermarket and a local gymnasium.

Traffic was halted Thursday morning on a suburban commuter line linking Paris to Charles de Gaulle airport after stone-throwing rioters attacked two trains overnight at the Le Blanc-Mesnil station. They forced a conductor from one train and broke windows, the SNCF rail authority said. A passenger was lightly injured by broken glass.

The unrest has highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor suburbs, with frustration simmering in the housing projects in areas marked by high unemployment, crime and poverty.

The violence also cast doubt on the success of France's model of seeking to integrate its large immigrant community _ its Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe's largest _ by playing down differences between ethnic groups. Rather than feeling embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities.

Opposition groups accused the government of letting the situation spiral out of control, either by failing to act quickly enough or letting in too many immigrants over the years.

"We see that the situation in certain neighborhoods is not getting better at all but degenerating," Socialist Party President Jean-Marc Ayrault told LCI television, who said Chirac's conservatives "did not know how to take control."

Right-wing French lawmaker Philippe de Villiers, who has said he wants to "stop the Islamization of France," told RTL radio that the problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and uncontrolled immigration."

Minister of Social Cohesion Jean-Louis Borloo said the government had to react "firmly" but added that France must also acknowledge its failure to have dealt with anger simmering in poor suburbs for decades.

"We cannot hide the truth: that for 30 years we have not done enough," he told France-2 television.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europe; france; frenchriots; islam; muslim; paris; parisriots; religionofpeace; riot; rop
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To: Red Badger

Do we see a second "Normandy" down the road?


21 posted on 11/03/2005 9:10:46 AM PST by moasicwolf
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To: moasicwolf

A second DUNKIRK is more likely..........


22 posted on 11/03/2005 9:11:44 AM PST by Red Badger (Whatever happened to formulas 1 through 408?.........)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Re: 315 cars burned across the Paris area

Wow! They beat Baghdad!

23 posted on 11/03/2005 9:12:12 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Right-wing French lawmaker Philippe de Villiers, who has said he wants to "stop the Islamization of France," told RTL radio that the problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and uncontrolled immigration." The USA could be like France in a few years if we don't get a hold on immigration and "politically correct" behavior.
24 posted on 11/03/2005 9:12:21 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: untenured

Countrywide riots are scheduled for tomorrow, according to bloggers.


25 posted on 11/03/2005 9:12:29 AM PST by sarasota
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To: West Coast Conservative

Prediction: The socialist whimps of france will find an even deeper capacity for capitulation.


26 posted on 11/03/2005 9:13:27 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

So where'd the guns come from?


27 posted on 11/03/2005 9:13:54 AM PST by GVnana
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To: West Coast Conservative

Jean Mari LePen's will be the big winner out of this. The fifth republic will inevitably give way to totalitarianism.


28 posted on 11/03/2005 9:15:06 AM PST by bubman
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To: West Coast Conservative

Lots of articles coming out now. I guess it can no longer be ignored by the MSM. I do feel for the innocent French who have been betrayed by their fellow countrymen. But then, they vote too.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 9:15:21 AM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: austinaero

"Gonna take my problem to the United Nations..."


30 posted on 11/03/2005 9:15:43 AM PST by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: sarasota
Countrywide riots are scheduled for tomorrow, according to bloggers.

Presumably the French govt. knows that. So if there is massive rioting anyway all over the country despite the authorities having advanced warning, that is a sign that they have lost control. I fit is quiet, it may be winding down.

For this round.

31 posted on 11/03/2005 9:16:53 AM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Let them eat Cake!


32 posted on 11/03/2005 9:16:59 AM PST by txroadkill
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To: West Coast Conservative

Minister of Social Cohesion? Mon Dieu.


33 posted on 11/03/2005 9:17:00 AM PST by Fresh Wind (It is Watergate yet? Is it Watergate yet?)
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To: ChadGore
Minister of Social Cohesion

That's a joke...right?

34 posted on 11/03/2005 9:17:21 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: dead
France should probably institute some sort of gun control.

Absolutely ... French soldiers should be carefully controlling their rifles, whilst taking aim and shooting the MOHAMMEDAN INVADERS in the head.

35 posted on 11/03/2005 9:17:39 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: GVgirl

They got a great deal on former French police "assault rifles": never fired, only dropped once.


36 posted on 11/03/2005 9:18:38 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: untenured
Too true. One rule of warfare is that the longer your enemy's attacks are unabated the more they will become emboldened. When the rest of the mosque goers see that they can attack in Europe without consequence, they will.
37 posted on 11/03/2005 9:18:57 AM PST by oldleft
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To: talleyman

"I called my congressman and he said, quote,
"I'd like to help you son, but I gotta buy some votes"


38 posted on 11/03/2005 9:20:19 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: moasicwolf


Can anyone morph a photo of Osama or Saddam onto this? Be pretty funny, but I'm no computer whiz!
39 posted on 11/03/2005 9:22:16 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism is economic oppression)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Isn't it about time for the police to go on strike?


40 posted on 11/03/2005 9:22:36 AM PST by RJL
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