Posted on 10/10/2005 5:30:35 AM PDT by gobucks
The Republican base across the country looks more favorably on President Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court than the cluster of conservative critics who are opposing her inside the Beltway, according to a Washington Times survey of state party chairmen.
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Eileen Melvin, chairwoman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, said she had just come from a meeting with state committee members in conservative Lancaster County, where she asked them what they thought of the Miers nomination. "They said we trust the president," she said.
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In Washington state, party Chairman Chris Vance said he e-mailed information about Miss Miers, provided by the Republican National Committee, to a statewide list of 10,000 Republican officials and grass-roots activists. "The next day, I got less than 10 e-mails out of 10,000 from people who were upset with the nomination," Mr. Vance said.
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Yes, which is why we can't take their testimony at face value, other than its obvious conflict with the truth.
I agree, of course.
In other words, it's pre-emptive surrender to the Democrats. Which is reason enough to oppose it.
I agree with you, and that is why I oppose her nomination.
You better hope you're right.
Because if you're wrong, when they head out the door into "oblivion" (actually, they will be alive and well and enjoying lives and families and business), your own ship sinks with them, and takes you down to oblivion too.
The classic lose-lose scenario.
That seems to be the way the pieces are aligning, since the party apparatus, instead of trying to find a compromise, seems hellbent on stiff-arming the opposition and forcing them into the ranks.
And that won't work. I'm surprised that the political experts think it will.
What you call surrender I call politics. Bush does not have the luxury of sitting behind a PC railing against any nominee that does not perfectly fit his agenda. He must choose a nominee that reflects the reality of the situation.
I think Miers is a brilliant pick because she has no judicial track record.
You only rail against the lack of judicial track record because YOU can't judge her, and won't trust HIM to judge her.
Either trust him, or split the party...it's your choice.
That is the fundamental split - those who are willing to take the President at his word with nothing else to support it, and those who aren't. I'm in the latter camp, because of the numerous times in the past we took him at his word and were betrayed.
I guess your point is the Senators should not use their own intellect in deciding their vote but should just say "whatever"..right? What's your point..that Lott and Hatch acted properly and they should continue to use that logic? Why are they there then if their vote is predetermined by the President? We could just elect signs and glue them into the seats in the Senate chamber.
"You see how the Democrats refuse to cooperate with the Republcans on all issues and then blame him for the most partisan administration in history. That's how you appear to me."
How you appear to me is as part of a majority, but not a crushing majority, who has played a bad hand, refuses to admit a mistake, and is determined to silence opposition in his own ranks - to compel obedience.
It is not going to work.
Rather, THAT is the tragedy that will split the Republican Party for a generation and probably destroy our majorities in both houses.
I CAN'T back down, because everything I believe in depends upon gaining control of the Supreme Court and using that control to dismantle the atrocities that Court has inflicted on America, starting with Roe v. Wade. And I cannot accept "Trust me" on the very CORE of my beliefs.
You CAN back down, because there are plenty of other nominees who would be acceptable to you and to me both, that would cause no dissent within the ranks, but would instead provoke a fight with the other side...a fight in which we would be united.
But you WON'T back down, because for you it's become a matter of authority within the party and pride. The orders have been issued, and even if they are not brilliant we will all shut up and obey (damn us!), or be shown our place.
What that does, is show me the door.
Because I cannot back down on this. This is IT, THE WHOLE GAME, the Supreme Court. It's not comparable to any other act or policy. It's WHY folks like me have gritted our teeth and grumbled - but not defied the party - on massive deficits, massive increases in entitlements, and open borders on two continents. All of that could be endured in order to get TO THIS PLACE. Well, we're here, but the President is playing this one like a political game instead of the Waterloo Battlefield that it is, for one side or the other.
So, you're not going to back down, even though you CAN with no lasting damage to yourself or the party. I can't back down, because it would mean leaving to chance the most core of all core positions I have.
And that means civil war.
It's a civil war you will win, because - as the numbers show - it's probably 2/3rds v. 1/3rd. Although it may well turn into 60/40 by the time its all over.
At the end of it, you'll still be in command, of a broken party. And the real enemy will win.
AMEN! that was beautiful.... WE MUST REMEMBER we can disagree all we want, w/o attacking each other, because I TRULY believe we are all friends here (except for the infiltrators :) - The Rats are delighted thinking we are going to eat each other... We had emotional issues before, and we'll have more in the future for sure... but we'll remain together.
Because included in that 27.7% are members of DU who post here regularly, Brigadeers, Harry Brown supporters, John Birtchers, former freepers (the ones called Anti-Freepers, etc. You've seen them here during the elections and especially during the primaries. They are a small percentage of freepers, but they produce a large percentage of the posts.
Honey, you seem to be the one who needs to chill.
And, you did not answer my question - could JR Brown really get thru the senate??
If you believe that she could, you masy need more than prozac!!
Forgive me for expecting better from my President and my party.
Forgive me for expecting excellence, not expedience.
Again, you demand perfect adherance to your agenda.
So it doesn't matter, since you can never get everything that you want, and these Republican Senators will not so easily split the party over one justice. In the end, they will confirm her.
The President said from the re-election he aquired significant political capital - why is he not now willing to expend it upon one held more closely to the conservative right? If he's reluctant to "spend" that capital NOW on such an important issue as shaping the USSC, what OTHER issue could possibly be more important for which to reserve it?
Amnesty for illegals, probably.
Another Bushbot who just thinks that Bush should get a free pass to do whatever he wants without restriction. If she weren't a Bush best friend, would she be nominated?
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