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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I do think that the liberal Republicans mean that the Senate is not conservative friendly and that the President must use stealth to get a nominee through.


921 posted on 10/11/2005 8:06:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Hey puker are you referencing the Sexist comment?.....

I wonder how that ties with the attempt to link her vote for the revisions of the City of Dallas hiring code that allowed for more diverse applicants to be considered for employment. Reckon those that think that was wrong were in favor of keeping women in the home, barefoot and pregnant?


922 posted on 10/11/2005 8:10:42 AM PDT by deport
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To: Pukin Dog
"She threw the fuel on the fire that is going to sink this nominee."

I missed it, PD. Something happened with one of my children and I missed it. Could you elaborate for me?

923 posted on 10/11/2005 8:13:54 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Howlin
Now they are trashing the First Lady; frankly, I don't want to be in a party with people like them running it.

Well, let me be the first to say, "It's been nice knowin' ya! And, I love that shade of purple on your lips... what is it called?"
924 posted on 10/11/2005 8:16:49 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: deport
Yeah, it was the sexist thing.

Laura Bush should not go on nationwide TV and confirm the worst thoughts of our opponents. Especially from an administration run by so many women already. She gave the other side an argument to use against us at the worst possible time. Conservatives against Miers are positively outraged, like they were when Ed Gillespe made his stupid comments about elitism playing a role.

The wings are coming off.
925 posted on 10/11/2005 8:17:57 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

All I'm asking for is PROOF..........ignore that if you have to.


926 posted on 10/11/2005 8:18:14 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: lentulusgracchus
Look, if you want me to consider your opinion, you are going to have to do a better job of selling it. Karl Rove strategizes because he has inside information on how the Senators will vote, results of the vetting process, considerations of other issues, etc. He and the President make their decisions based on more information which you do not have.

You don't know how some of the Senators will vote. Rove and Bush do know, and base their decisions on that.

So, I have more faith in the President than I do you. I think that is a perfectly logical position.

Now, you can continue to hurl insults, and I am sorry if Imade you angry, but I see no reason to discount the President and believe you. That's just the way it is.

927 posted on 10/11/2005 8:18:17 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: SE Mom
Not put up anyone ELSE? That is ridiculous- there's no WAY he would do that.

It would explain a lot. It would reveal what some have suspected: a decidedly vindictive streak.
928 posted on 10/11/2005 8:19:39 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Pukin Dog

I have not read through all the posts on this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned.

On Tony Snow's show on Friday, Ed Gillespie mentioned in an offhanded comment that just because someone is on your list doesn't mean that person wants the job.

Unfortunately, Tony didn't follow up on the remark. I also remember the rumors that Owens took her name out of contention before Miers was anounced.


929 posted on 10/11/2005 8:21:39 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Miss Marple

Who is Mozart's lovers son?


930 posted on 10/11/2005 8:22:33 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Laura Bush's Today show appearance this morning is being seen in Washington as an unmitigated disaster. She threw the fuel on the fire that is going to sink this nominee.

Is the source of this Laura Bush information, the source of the information you posted earlier this morning, and the source for this initial thread the same person?

931 posted on 10/11/2005 8:24:20 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Howlin; Pukin Dog

Ever since Quidam I find myself demoralized and unable to commit to those who Know


Perhaps therapy would help me?


932 posted on 10/11/2005 8:25:35 AM PDT by woofie (Trying hard to become another Buckhead)
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To: Howlin
There are a ton of men on this site who have MAJOR issues with woman doing anything other than cooking.

To quote Howlin: Let's NAMES and sources!

Sheesh. Be consistent at least.
933 posted on 10/11/2005 8:25:58 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Republican Red
Lets just say that Miers was not the first, second, or third choice? No one is going to mention names of those who declined out of respect for their privacy. Also, they might want to be considered again down the road. Some of these folks spent two years of their lives in limbo during past confirmation battles. Why do it again if it's only going to be worse for their families, and with the spineless Senate, their confirmation not assured?
934 posted on 10/11/2005 8:26:52 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: safisoft

Me!!! Im a freeper who only wants women for one thing!!!!

I just cant remember what it is


935 posted on 10/11/2005 8:28:11 AM PDT by woofie (Trying hard to become another Buckhead)
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To: NittanyLion
Laura Bush's disaster this morning is common knowledge.
936 posted on 10/11/2005 8:29:16 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: deport

see my post #935


937 posted on 10/11/2005 8:36:05 AM PDT by woofie (Trying hard to become another Buckhead)
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To: Miss Marple
With all due respect to you, Marple, I am really surprised that Karl "the genius" Rove didn't anticipate the ferocious opposition to Miers. Maybe he stopped taking his folic acid supplements.

GWB's remark about Harriet being from outside the "judicial monastery" was on-the-mark. Too bad he, and Laura, negated it with their "glass ceiling" analogy.
I don't know why they're pandering to liberal interests when the thrust of opposition is from the conservatives.

938 posted on 10/11/2005 8:37:06 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla
So it's OK if she accuses people of being sexist when she knows damn well it's not so?

I am NOT one of those NOW women but I do see a scent of sexism in the accusations.

As another FR posted that if Miers was Harry Myers, former President of the Texas State Bar, former head of a large, powerful law firm in Texas and the President's chief counsel, that it is doubtful that old Harry Myers would have any problems with critics. Unless of course his hair, make-up and fashion sense were a disaster.
939 posted on 10/11/2005 8:37:15 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: safisoft; Howlin; Pukin Dog
Well, let me be the first to say, "It's been nice knowin' ya!

Well, I'm not so quick to throw throw away such a hard-working FR stalwart. Howlin has let her emotions get the best of her before: I remember some harsh words in the Katrina threads that she recanted the next day once she had time to think about it. Your "my way or the highway, don't let the door hit you on the way out" attitude is that of a permanent minority party. Howlin and I REALLY go into it in the Schaivo threads, but I'll be the first to defend her here.

Although Howlin is technically right that PD's info is unsourced, in all my years posting (and lurking before that), I have yet to see something PD posted that his 'little birdie' told him that wasn't true. If y'all can point me to an example, I'll be the first to join Howlin in asking PD to source his info. But as far as I know, he has a perfect track record.

Which leads us to "why". It's intriguing, but I think the Administration uses PD when they want to get something out to the conservative blogsphere/FR on the "down-low". Notice how the info in PD's first post has since been repeated by Tony Snow and others. I think they consider him a reliable outlet. Whether he's in on the game, I don't know. What I think I can safely say, though, is any insider info we get from PD happens because the administration WANTS us to get it.

Like I said, very intriguing. Pukin, one thing that might clear this up a little, if you can answer: does your source contact you, or is the info just something that comes up in an otherwise unrelated conversation that you started?

940 posted on 10/11/2005 8:38:22 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Nashville, TN)
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