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Microsoft plans to outsource more, says ex-worker [Moving 1,000+ jobs to China]
Seattle Times (Excerpt) ^ | September 3, 2005 | Brier Dudley

Posted on 09/05/2005 2:34:54 AM PDT by HAL9000

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Microsoft is on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year to China, according to blistering evidence released yesterday in Microsoft's increasingly nasty spat with Google over an employee who jumped ship in July.

In a revelation that highlights the complexity of China President Hu Jintao's visit to Seattle and Microsoft on Monday, legal filings detailed claims of how Microsoft had offended the Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised to Chinese technology vendors.

Chief Executive Steve Ballmer visited China in 2003 and promised to step up the pace, from $33 million worth of work a year to $55 million a year, according to a statement by Kai-Fu Lee, a former vice president who left to work for Google in July. Lee was charged with smoothing over relations with China and finding jobs that could be shifted to Chinese contract workers.

"At the time of my departure, MS was on track to outsource over 1,000 jobs a year to China," he said in a court declaration. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company has transferred some projects to China "in order to free up teams here for other work."


(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ballmer; barfalert; betrayal; billgates; chicoms; china; communism; convictedmonopoly; freetraitors; gemovesthegoalposts; gesamescriptdifftday; gesgotseriousissues; google; kaifulee; lowqualitycrap; lyinggoldeneagle; microsoft; microsoftchina; outsourcing; perfidy; sellingoutamerica; usefulidiot; wasteoftime
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To: N3WBI3

Communism.org refers to Linux as a perfect example of communism. There's no conclusive proof of what they are currently using themselves, netcraft only probes remotely and communism.org seems to be running on a commercial host anyway. But their website makes their beliefs very clear.


81 posted on 09/07/2005 5:09:32 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

But it runs on windows..


82 posted on 09/07/2005 5:49:33 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

You have no conclusive proof of that. What we do know for sure is the content of communism.org claims Linux is a perfect example of communism. On that there is no possible dispute.


83 posted on 09/07/2005 6:01:20 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; softwarecreator; ShadowAce
You stopped at "...," let me continue it for you:

For the 2004 election cycle, at least through late August, the figures are reversed. Democrats got 61 percent of all forms of Microsoft political contributions and Republicans got 39 percent.

Typo, or lie? You decide.

"In 2002, Republicans got 60 percent of Microsoft's soft money..."

84 posted on 09/07/2005 6:13:16 PM PDT by Salo (Those who believe the most in evolution are usually the first to complain about it taking its course)
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To: Golden Eagle; ShadowAce; softwarecreator

Even further down:

One of the most striking changes has been among employees. Even in 2000, with a Democratic-led U.S. Department of Justice antitrust case raging, individual Microsoft employees gave more to Democrats (53 percent) than Republicans. In this election cycle[salo note: 2004], employees have ratcheted up their giving to Democrats to 73 percent of a $1.13 million total.

The article is available on the Redmond Web site at:
http://redmondmag.com/features/article.asp?EditorialsID=440

So....typo or lie? You decide.


85 posted on 09/07/2005 6:21:14 PM PDT by Salo (Those who believe the most in evolution are usually the first to complain about it taking its course)
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To: Salo
As I said, Microsoft is middle of the road. They donate to both parties, including more to Republicans in 2006 and to GWB in 2004.

What's in lockstep with the DNC is Open Source software. Which I linked above multiple times, and you continue to completely ignore. They are partners in philosophy and product use. Trying to point fingers at Microsoft is a ridiculous excuse for it, too, as Microsoft is much more typically associated with Republicans.

Knowing Their Politics By The Software They Use

You can keep arguing against the obvious. But it will continue to be a losing cause.

86 posted on 09/07/2005 6:33:12 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

The last complete election cycle (2004):

Rank: 1
Organization: Microsoft Corp
Amount: $3,310,270
Democrats: 62%
Republicans: 38%




87 posted on 09/07/2005 6:41:50 PM PDT by Salo (Those who believe the most in evolution are usually the first to complain about it taking its course)
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To: Golden Eagle

"My point stands, Gates and Ballmer are both on record condeming communism. I already asked you if you had anything equivalent from anyone at IBM. Apparently, and as expected, no, you do not."

How can you make that commend and ignore my decimation http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477631/posts?page=69#69 of your mind-blowing comment?

Gates has PRAISED the ChiComs to the sky.

Ballmer hasn't made any anti-communist statements other than to call Linux "communism," which is idiotic.

"I already asked you if you had anything equivalent from anyone at IBM. Apparently, and as expected, no, you do not."

Ballmer didn't say one thing about communism! You posted a joke article.

Why don't you defend your comment first? Gerstner is a CEO, not a politician.


88 posted on 09/07/2005 6:58:29 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Golden Eagle; John Robinson

" What's in lockstep with the DNC is Open Source software. "

So, Free Republic is part of the DNC?


89 posted on 09/07/2005 6:59:24 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Golden Eagle
Gates said that Linux developers aren't really communists, and then went on to praise China as capitalist!

http://eclipse.sys-con.com/read/47766.htm

Bill Gates has been trying to neutralize the shock waves he sent through the open source community when in a press interview he made an analogy between "communists" and people who advocate a less restrictive IP environment, such Creative Commons licenses and things like that.

"No, no, no. I didn't say those people were 'communists.'" Gates told the "gadgets Weblog," Gizmodo.

Here was his explanation:

"I did say that they're... The question is: what incentive systems should exist in the world? Call 'communism' a system where [in] the extreme case you believe that the idea of the individual getting lots of wealth in return for the things they do... that that's wrong. If you have no incentive for individual excellence and it's just sort of, you know, banned. All the way up to an extreme that nobody would believe in, that there's no redistribution of wealth and that's there's no expiration of rights and control. So you have this huge spectrum.

All I was saying is that the number of people who are at this extreme who believe there should be no incentive systems for creative work - there's actually less of those people. The question seemed to be saying that the whole support for IP and incentive systems was completely falling apart and didn't I notice that was a big trend, and I said, no, on the contrary. The idea of capitalistic incentive: there's actually a higher percentage of the planet - take all of China - that's involved in capitalistic incentive systems than there have been in the past. That's all.


90 posted on 09/07/2005 7:08:53 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: N3WBI3; ShadowAce

Here's one for your archives...


91 posted on 09/07/2005 7:10:15 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
Ballmer hasn't made any anti-communist statements other than to call Linux "communism," which is idiotic.

Not according to communism.org, they say it's a perfect example of it.

92 posted on 09/07/2005 7:26:59 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: adam_az
So, Free Republic is part of the DNC?

Obviously not. Nor is it part of any Open Source "movement" that's trying to pass laws requiring it's use. That's where the problem is, those in the DNC that are trying to mandate it's use. If you don't think that's a problem, then admit it, but I've framed that issue quite clearly, and you refuse to address it.

93 posted on 09/07/2005 7:30:02 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: adam_az

Gates is the richest man in the world and has spoken out against communism. He also is trying to sell products to China in the hope they eventually do away with communism completely.

The obvious problem is those you seem to support who want to GIVE software to China, for free, and are doing so every single day. You haven't spoken out against them once, and probably never will, you have had plenty of opportunity already.


94 posted on 09/07/2005 7:35:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Ciexyz
"My sumpathies to the good American workers whose jobs are being exported to China, India and beyond. "

Your sympathies are misplaced, because no jobs are being "exported." Microsoft is hiring everyone it can in America. There are fully 4,290 job openings right in the good old US of A. And that's just full-time employees; it doesn't count the legions of part-timers Microsoft hires.

Stop killing a third of kids before they're even born, get the ones who're allowed to live to spend time working on math and electronics rather than self-esteem and cultural awareness, and then you can start complaining about all the jobs being "exported."

95 posted on 09/07/2005 7:41:40 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Salo

And his largest individual contributions went to various Republican parties.

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?Order=A&txtName=gates%2C&txtState=WA&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2006=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=&txt2000=&txt1998=&txt1996=&txt1994=&txt1992=&txt1990=&txtSoft=N

Republican Party of Florida
Republican Federal Cmte of Pennsylvania
Republican Party of Ohio
Republican State Cmte of Michigan
Americans for a Republican Majority
Keep Our Majority PAC
Missouri Republican State Cmte
Arizona Republican Party
Republican Party of Wisconsin
Republican Party of Minnesota
Republican Party of Iowa
Republican Party of Oregon

I don't see anything going to any DNC groups.


96 posted on 09/07/2005 7:50:08 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I don't see anything going to any DNC groups.

Then you're blind. Do you know who Patty Murray is? John Kerry? Tom Daschle? Harry Reid?

Of course he gives to both parties. He's playing politics.

97 posted on 09/07/2005 8:22:56 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: benjaminjjones
A few years ago I installed the brand new .Net Server.  When the install was done it required an activation code.  I called the number that was printed on the splash screen.  The person of Indian descent kept giving me a code that wouldn't work.  After a few tries he realized he was giving me the code for Win XP Developer.

He went on to inform me that he didn't have a code for .Net and was confused as to why MS had put that phone number on the screen.  He promised he would get me a working code and call me back within the hour.  After a few days I got sick of waiting and put Win 2000 Server back in.  This was about 3 years ago and I am still waiting.

Oh wait, you said a positive experience ... never mind.

98 posted on 09/07/2005 8:30:23 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: ShadowAce

Individuals, not parties, ALL Republican. However, on the other side, we have things like this:

http://www.geocities.com/commulinux/hall_fame.html

Communists hate Gates, being the richest man in the world. But they put IBM at the top of their hall of fame.


99 posted on 09/07/2005 8:34:23 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: HAL9000
Bill Gates gives lavish praise and active support to the ChiCom dictatorship

Can you name me ONE major American company that refuses to trade with China and insults them?

Trading with China is worth BILLIONS to Microsoft.  Wouldn't you do the same?

100 posted on 09/07/2005 8:34:26 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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