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Intelligent design - coming to a school near you
The New Zealand Herald ^ | August 27, 2005 | Chris Barton

Posted on 08/28/2005 4:07:56 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored

Intelligent design - coming to a school near you
 
David Jensen says the evolutionists' perspective relies on unproven scientific facts and theories. Picture / Greg Bowker
David Jensen says the evolutionists' perspective relies on unproven scientific facts and theories. Picture / Greg Bowker
 
27.08.05
 
By Chris Barton
 
Science teachers say it has no place in the classroom. Christian educators say children shouldn't be denied alternative views.

Science teachers retaliate that it's not science, it's religion behind a mask and they don't want a bar of it. Christian educators argue they can teach it alongside traditional science, so what are science teachers so afraid of?

Science teachers' blood begins to boil. "It's not science."' they fume.

"It" is "intelligent design" - a challenge to the theory of evolution described by some as creationism in disguise. But it's a challenge that's garnering support from high places.

"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," United States President George W. Bush said this month. "If you're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes."

The topic is also the subject of court action in Pennsylvania, taken after the Dover Area School Board decided to revamp its biology curriculum to include intelligent design.

In December, 11 parents sued the district and its board members, claiming they were bringing God into the science class. The case is being watched closely by 21 states across America facing controversies over how evolution is taught to high school students.

The debate also has been simmering in New Zealand. Chief proponents of intelligent design here include Investigate magazine editor Ian Wishart and Auckland University School of Engineering associate professor Neil Broom, author of How Blind Is a Watchmaker?

The argument was rekindled last week when 500 New Zealand schools received unsolicited DVDs and workbooks from the Christian-based Focus on the Family organisation.

The material comes via the Centre for Science and Culture (CSC), a division of the Discovery Institute, a religion-based conservative think-tank in Seattle. It criticises Darwinism and promotes the idea of an "intelligent designer" outside the laws of nature to explain the intricate complexity of living organisms.

"Intelligent design people will tell you it doesn't mean there was a God. It just means something intelligent designed it. I'm much more comfortable saying God's there and he made it," says Michael Drake.

The principal of Carey College looks pleased with his answer. It avows his faith. Drake exudes the unshakeable rightness, some might say smugness, of a committed Christian.

The private school in Panmure teaches a literal interpretation of creation found in Genesis alongside the teaching of evolution. Drake believes in a young Earth - one that's about 6000 to 10,000 years old because that's what you get if you add up all the begats in the Bible.

Questions of carbon dating are not a problem. "It's perfectly possible to say God created the world at a point in time and at that point in time it [the Earth] was fixed with so many carbon 14 and so many ordinary carbon molecules - why not? God is God."

It's the sort of statement (given ample evidence that the world is at least 4.6 billion years old) that gets science teachers spluttering into their coffee.

"There are no geologists I am aware of who think the world is only 10,000 years old. That's the most fatuous idea one has ever come across," says Martin Hanson, a science teacher of 40 years and author of nine textbooks including Apes and Ancestors II.

Drake is unbowed, pointing to the swag of science awards the school has won. "Our kids will leave this school understanding evolutionary theory and creation theory and being able to work with both right through the science syllabus."

David Jensen, principal of Immanuel Christian School, holds a similar view.

"People have to see that evolution is as much a religious faith-based position as is creationism. Our creationist beliefs rest on faith in God as creator. An evolutionist perspective is just as religious.

"It relies on unproven scientific facts and theories - that's why it's called a theory of evolution. It's not the fact of evolution - it's called a theory for good reason. No one can prove it."

Science teachers splutter in unison with incredulity. "These people talk about evolution as a theory in crisis - they don't understand the word theory," says Alan Munro, head of science at Southland Boys' High.

"In layman's terms a theory is just a guess or something unproven, but in science a theory implies something that has been proven and generally accepted as true."

Hanson agrees, pointing to atomic theory. "No chemist has the slightest doubt about the existence of atoms. They're using theory in quite a different sense - it's a framework of knowledge and ideas which has great predicative value and is solidly based."

Jensen's faith is also unshakeable. "At the very least it's intellectually honest to give a reasonable amount of attention to the deficiencies of the theory of evolution as well as having a look at other competing theories, creationism being one."

Jensen is not as hard-line as Drake in terms of the age of the Earth. He's comfortable putting that aside as "a bit of a grey area". He claims evolutionists are fixated on the Earth being millions of years old because that is what evolution requires.

His main problem with evolution lies with its notions of chance mutations and accidental events creating complex forms of life. He rejects more figurative interpretations of the Bible which allow some Christians to see evolution as part of God's plan.

"It makes no sense. Why would God use a process of death and random events to create when he can create things as good?" And he sees it as inconsistent that "a good God" used millions of years of death and suffering.

For Jensen such an idea doesn't fit with Genesis, where it says, "God created and it was good." And with the description of the Garden of Eden - "an amazing place where animals were not ripping each other apart and devouring each other".

The intelligent design argument is more sophisticated. It doesn't retreat to a belief in the Bible as its founding truth. And it doesn't directly refer to God. But it shares with creationists the same difficulty in accepting the role of chance, accident or randomness in explaining the origin of life.

Drake sums up the problem for all. "Evolutionary theory says if there is a God, then he has not made things by means of design, purpose or, in the creationist point of view, with immediacy."

Hanson is scathing. "Intelligent design people are nice people, but they have difficulty in confronting complex realities - they need simple truths. There are a tiny number of biologists who do have problems with evolution, but they are such a minute, microscopic rump that they are hardly worth considering."

The Privileged Planet, one of a set of three DVDs distributed by Focus on the Family, sets out to show through maths and astronomy that purpose and design are everywhere.

The Earth, rather than being an inconsequential, chance speck in a vast universe, is the perfect viewing platform from which to appreciate God's handiwork. Similarly it's hard to accept that humans might not be the special objects of God's creation but simply a product of natural selection brought about by "numerous successive slight modifications".

Enter Icons of Evolution to cast doubt on the formulation of Charles Darwin's theory. Munro, who has assessed some of the DVDs, is annoyed by its bias and use of outdated information. "They say 'here was an error that was made back in the 1860s' and, therefore, because of this error the whole of evolution is wrong."

He points out the nature of science is to test theories for validity and be prepared to accept the theory can be proved false. "You come up with a theory and later evidence changes the story and we have to do a rethink, but we've never found anything which totally disproves evolution."

The material, Munro thinks, should probably be returned to sender. But he's toying with the idea of using some of it in a lesson on testing whether evidence is valid. "If it was going to go to the library, I'd file it under something like fairytales and fables - it's not scientific."

Intelligent design's king hit argument against evolution is found in the third DVD Unlocking The Mystery of Life. It claims to have found a scientific principle ("irreducible complexity") which proves certain structures could not have been produced by evolution.

The argument asserts that structures like the bacterial flagellum (a whip-like motor found in single cell organisms) and the human eye are so enormously complex that if you take them down into their constituent parts, the simpler bits and pieces don't have a function.

Take one part away and the eye or the flagellum doesn't work. In other words, it's irreducibly complex and must have been designed.

While evolution doesn't have a clear explanation for the development of the eye or the flagellum, biologists say they can show that both are not irreducibly complex.

"As soon as you look at bacterial flagellum and find that the various structures that go to make it up do have a function, and look at the complexity of the camera eye and find that there are much simpler versions available, the argument gets pulled to pieces," says Alison Campbell, a former secondary school science teacher and now senior lecturer in biology at Waikato University.

Campbell, who helps run the Evolution for Teaching website, points to a paper - The Flagellum Unspun - which claims to undo some of the probability equations used to make the irreducible complexity case.

Intelligent design may not be in our science curriculum, but it's not exactly out, either. The Ministry of Education's national administration guidelines don't place any restrictions on its teaching. Nor do they specifically restrict the teaching of young Earth creation or theistic evolution. So does the science curriculum allow for alternative theories to evolution to be taught?

"Schools and teachers have a responsibility to select theories widely accepted by the scientific community," says the ministry's curriculum manager Mary Chamberlain. "A full exploration of these theories should include a consideration of challenges that have been made to them."

Even if the challenges are non-scientific? "We are not suggesting that teachers teach it as accepted science," says Chamberlain. "We are suggesting that challenges to accepted scientific understandings should be considered in science lessons" - such as in the "Making sense of the nature of science" strand.

Southland High's Munro rejects the interpretation of the syllabus. "A science controversy has to have science on both sides."

Campbell is not impressed, either: "It's a non-controversy as far as the wider scientific community is concerned." There is only one theory - evolution - and to suggest otherwise is to fall into the trap of misunderstanding what a scientific theory is.

She says neither young Earth creationism nor intelligent design offer any reasonable challenge to evolutionary thinking.

"It's the thin edge of the wedge - as soon as you introduce intelligent design into the classroom in any guise, then it's in the classroom and it gives it some legitimacy and I don't think that legitimacy is warranted. It's not science."


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To: Coyoteman
Coyoteman wrote: Creation of the Earth The world was once nothing but water. The only land above the water was Black Mountain.

HERE'S AN EXERCISE: (1) Compare the creation accounts for all cultures. (2) Compare the account given by cosmogeny. (3) Compare and contrast the differences between Genesis and (1) and (2). You'll find that the ancient Jews had, by far, the account that most closely approximates that of cosmogeny.

Coincidence?

Keep in mind that Genesis wasn't written as a scientific explanation, but a cultural explanation to the Jews on how things came to be.

Not bad, for something 3,000 years old, give or take.

41 posted on 08/28/2005 8:19:27 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Sorry I can't join the thread, guys, I'm hooked on the Hurricane Katrina stuff.

Full Disclosure: Stephanie Abrams on The Weather Channel is HOT! :-)

42 posted on 08/28/2005 8:25:29 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: sauron
You'll find that the ancient Jews had, by far, the account that most closely approximates that of cosmogeny.

Most of the replies I receive to the "alternative" creation stories I post are similar to yours. They place the Hebrew creation story far above those of other cultures, so much so that it is different in kind, not just in degree.

This suggests to me that the ID movement is really about teaching the bible in public schools, not about ID in general--as that would embrace all of the alternative stories I post. But in fact, the stories I post are rejected by IDers.

It is beginning to look to me like the IDers method represents a Trojan horse.

43 posted on 08/28/2005 8:33:55 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: VadeRetro
A rational deity ought to at least insure that the punishment fits the crime. So because one chick decided to take a bite of a forbidden apple, all later generations are condemned to die—in many cases, in great pain and suffering. Sorry, that's a disproportionate punishment and, as such, it offends the rational mind.
44 posted on 08/28/2005 8:34:47 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: ml1954
I'm still trying to determine what the Creationist/ID crowd really want.:

You're going to have to be patient. I've been asking for three weeks what ID advocated would teach if they ran the science classes.

Saying that Darwinism doesn't have everything explained makes a rather short lesson plan.

What is it they would tesch?

45 posted on 08/28/2005 8:38:21 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Understood...and agreed!


46 posted on 08/28/2005 8:41:48 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Not what I suggested. In this case, first they have to build the molecule. From nothing. From whatever they theorize existed before the Big Bang, First Event, the moment of singularity, or whatever they choose to call the pre-born Universe.

Evolutionists have assumptions. They take many necessary steps for granted in the molecules-to-man model. Evolutionists assume that non-living chemicals gave rise to that first living cell which, in turn, evolved into ever and ever more complex forms of life. There are no scientific experiments to prove the molecules-to-man scenario.

Writing as an evolutionist, G. A. Kerkut lists the major assumptions of evolution. These are the basic theories an evolutionist takes for granted or “supposes” to be true. All of the “molecules-to-man science” is built upon these assumptions, but you rarely, if ever, see them listed in a high school or college textbook.

There are seven basic assumptions that are often not mentioned during discussions of evolution. Many evolutionists ignore the first six assumptions and only consider the seventh. The assumptions are as follows:

1. The first assumption is that non-living things gave rise to living material, i.e., spontaneous generation occurred.

2. The second assumption is that spontaneous generation occurred only once.

3. The third assumption is that viruses, bacteria, plants and animals are all related.

4. The fourth assumption is that protozoa (single-celled life forms) gave rise to metazoa (multiple-celled life forms).

5. The fifth assumption is that various invertebrate phyla are interrelated.

6. The sixth assumption is that the invertebrates gave rise to the vertebrates.

7. The seventh assumption is that within the vertebrates the fish gave rise to amphibia, the amphibia to reptiles and the reptiles to birds and mammals.

MOLECULES-TO-MAN IS ASSUMED

What Dr. Kerkut has listed as “assumptions” is the whole of evolutionary teaching. In other words, there is no factual (experimentally testable and reproducible) science which supports evolution. The process of moving from non-living things to the first living, reproducing cell to man and giant Redwood trees is all an assumption.

Grasshopper.
47 posted on 08/28/2005 8:44:22 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Not what I suggested. In this case, first they have to build the molecule. From nothing. From whatever they theorize existed before the Big Bang, First Event, the moment of singularity, or whatever they choose to call the pre-born Universe.

Evolutionists have assumptions. They take many necessary steps for granted in the molecules-to-man model. Evolutionists assume that non-living chemicals gave rise to that first living cell which, in turn, evolved into ever and ever more complex forms of life. There are no scientific experiments to prove the molecules-to-man scenario.

Writing as an evolutionist, G. A. Kerkut lists the major assumptions of evolution. These are the basic theories an evolutionist takes for granted or “supposes” to be true. All of the “molecules-to-man science” is built upon these assumptions, but you rarely, if ever, see them listed in a high school or college textbook.

There are seven basic assumptions that are often not mentioned during discussions of evolution. Many evolutionists ignore the first six assumptions and only consider the seventh. The assumptions are as follows:

1. The first assumption is that non-living things gave rise to living material, i.e., spontaneous generation occurred.

2. The second assumption is that spontaneous generation occurred only once.

3. The third assumption is that viruses, bacteria, plants and animals are all related.

4. The fourth assumption is that protozoa (single-celled life forms) gave rise to metazoa (multiple-celled life forms).

5. The fifth assumption is that various invertebrate phyla are interrelated.

6. The sixth assumption is that the invertebrates gave rise to the vertebrates.

7. The seventh assumption is that within the vertebrates the fish gave rise to amphibia, the amphibia to reptiles and the reptiles to birds and mammals.

MOLECULES-TO-MAN IS ASSUMED

What Dr. Kerkut has listed as “assumptions” is the whole of evolutionary teaching. In other words, there is no factual (experimentally testable and reproducible) science which supports evolution. The process of moving from non-living things to the first living, reproducing cell to man and giant Redwood trees is all an assumption.

Grasshopper.
48 posted on 08/28/2005 8:44:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Coyoteman

Good creation story. About as plausible as any other creation story, it seems to me. Good for telling to 3-year-olds with a smile on one's face.


49 posted on 08/28/2005 8:46:20 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Doesn't count because:

A) It proves intelligent design.
B) They didn't make their own dirt.
C)Who are you to think you understand the mind of The Designer?< /ID > < /Creationist > < Brain >

50 posted on 08/28/2005 8:51:09 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: silverleaf
Not what I suggested. In this case, first they have to build the molecule. From nothing. From whatever they theorize existed before the Big Bang, First Event, the moment of singularity, or whatever they choose to call the pre-born Universe.

I was trying to put a reasonable spin on what you wrote. You're asking for scientists to create a new universe, it would seem. If they could, the act would quite probably destroy our present one, which isn't a pleasant prospect. They're under no obligation to do any such thing anyway. The proof that life (as opposed to, say, the entire cosmos, which evolution doesn't discuss) is not the result of some sort of divine intervention will, in my view, be forthcoming from the labs of the sort of very smart folks mentioned in the article I linked to earlier. Once they've managed to construct an artificial organism by assembling chemical units, only the most obstinate will continue to argue against the possibility. (Of course, there will be some such...there are always Flat-Earthers.)

51 posted on 08/28/2005 8:56:14 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: PatrickHenry
In the interest of being fair and balanced, I also present a collection of links to some Jack Chick comics:

As it should be; all "Sunday Editions," even from DarwinCentral, should include "funny pages" for our amusement.....

52 posted on 08/28/2005 9:41:13 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

Well said. Thanks for the ping!


53 posted on 08/28/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT by jonathanmo
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To: silverleaf
There are seven basic assumptions that are often not mentioned during discussions of evolution. Many evolutionists ignore the first six assumptions and only consider the seventh. The assumptions are as follows:

1. The first assumption is that non-living things gave rise to living material, i.e., spontaneous generation occurred.

2. The second assumption is that spontaneous generation occurred only once.

3. The third assumption is that viruses, bacteria, plants and animals are all related.

4. The fourth assumption is that protozoa (single-celled life forms) gave rise to metazoa (multiple-celled life forms).

5. The fifth assumption is that various invertebrate phyla are interrelated.

6. The sixth assumption is that the invertebrates gave rise to the vertebrates.

7. The seventh assumption is that within the vertebrates the fish gave rise to amphibia, the amphibia to reptiles and the reptiles to birds and mammals.

In the first place, all sciences make certain assumptions, so to say that evolutionists make assumptions, as if this were a flaw, is to betray some degree of misunderstanding of how empirical science is carried out.

In the second place, let's look at your list of 'assumptions of evolution'.

1. The first assumption is that non-living things gave rise to living material, i.e., spontaneous generation occurred.

Comment: This probably is a working hypothesis of most biologists, but it's part and parcel of the materialistic assumption that all empirical science makes. Empirical science tries to explain the phenomena of nature without appealing to extra-natural forces or principles.

2. The second assumption is that spontaneous generation occurred only once.

Comment: Ridiculous. Spontaneous generation might have occurred any number of times on Earth, and any number of times elsewhere. The early Earth was bombarded over millions of years by comets and asteroids. It's perfectly possible that during that time, early versions of living things came to be and then were completely wiped out, and that this occurred over and over again. The living things we see today happen to occur from the most recent successful spontaneously generated version of life.

3. The third assumption is that viruses, bacteria, plants and animals are all related.

Comment: This is not an assumption, it's an observation. All of these organisms are made up of cells whose activities are controlled by DNA and related chemicals. If that doesn't show that they're related, I don't know what does.

4. The fourth assumption is that protozoa (single-celled life forms) gave rise to metazoa (multiple-celled life forms).

Comment: Again, that's the most likely scenario, but I'm sure that no evolutionist would be totally surprised if somebody could show that it happened otherwise.

5. The fifth assumption is that various invertebrate phyla are interrelated.

Comment: See the comment on #3.

6. The sixth assumption is that the invertebrates gave rise to the vertebrates.

Comment: See the comment on #4.

7. The seventh assumption is that within the vertebrates the fish gave rise to amphibia, the amphibia to reptiles and the reptiles to birds and mammals.

Comment: The tree of life on Earth is not nearly so linear:


54 posted on 08/28/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: RadioAstronomer
Ignorance on parade.

Strike up a band, and they will march....

55 posted on 08/28/2005 9:48:13 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: snarks_when_bored
Once they've managed to construct an artificial organism by assembling chemical units, only the most obstinate will continue to argue against the possibility

OK Sparky, once they've "managed to do" that, in the lab or on a supercomputer, get back to us for more discussion of how they plan to jump their life form forward to mankind or something artifically equivalent.

Until then, molecule-to-man is an assumption and does not address how to create the molecules they are tinkering with. A child with enormous intelligence and an unlimited supply of building blocks could build the Golden Gate Bridge or an artificial equivalent....I'll concede that it "could" happen... But my suggested experiment is to put alll the world's intelligent children in an empty room and let them build the blocks, first. Which you support is possible in theory.

Signed, Grasshopper
56 posted on 08/28/2005 10:07:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
In the Year 2005--just one little sliver of time in the existence of the universe--one observes the "foolishness" and arrogance of human beings who, limited by the human brain's capacity for assimilating and incorporating adequate data for rational evaluation and understanding of profound questions about the origins of their universe, deem themselves "keepers" of the gate for the minds of rising generations.

Minds are finite tools for exploring infinity, and most proponents and vocal advocates of such tyranny in the classroom must rely on data provided by other, likewise limited, minds. Can any one, alone, apply the "scientific method" to every aspect of the dogma they defend?

If not of such serious consequence to the liberty of future generations, one could find it laughable, as the Creator well must!

In every "science" classroom, could there be a gigantic and invisible elephant, just waiting to be discovered by some young mind, not yet imprisoned by his/her captors?

And, what do we do with the underlying theme and foundation of our liberty, as expressed in the Declaration of our Independence, summed up in Jefferson's capsulization?

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

Ideas have consequences!

57 posted on 08/28/2005 10:12:42 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: snarks_when_bored
Researchers Creating Life From Scratch.

Huh?????

Oh, the foolishness of the wise!

58 posted on 08/28/2005 10:20:00 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: liliesgrandpa
"Who are they kidding? Did the little blob of accidental randomness just decide "hey, I would like an eye, I think I'll just grow one"

You have it backwards. Originally a light sensitive cell was produced through mutation (it exists in extant organisms). Those with the cell had a better chance of surviving and reproducing, thus passing that cell to their offspring. The reproductive advantage those with the light sensitive cell had, allowed the cell to become fixed in the population. Further developments were simply modifications to the cell.

"Or why would a bird evolve wings, not knowing that flight was even possible, which wing stubs would be useless for millions of years until fully developed."

The development of wings was not a 'choice' birds made. Nor would a half wing be just a stub of a wing. It would have been a feathered front limb that would not have been changed in function from the limb's original use. The exclusive use of the front limb for flight would have been a rather late development, well after flight itself developed.

If you desire to debate in this subject I suggest you learn a bit about evolution rather than simply guess at the implications of a strawman version of it.

59 posted on 08/28/2005 10:33:15 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
The desire to have final answers NOW! is strong, but must be resisted by those who seek true understanding rather than palliative beliefs.

Well stated - but palliative beliefs are the foundation of the modern media-conditioned economy!

Besides, stoical skepticism will never be as popular as the notions of the likes of Sixpak Chopra and Pat 'Hitman' Robertson.

60 posted on 08/28/2005 10:40:40 AM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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