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But Why Can't Hillary Win? (delusional Leftist alert)
Slate ^ | 7/30/05 | Weisberg

Posted on 07/30/2005 6:25:56 AM PDT by pabianice

Don't like Hillary? Join the club!

Political insiders mostly agree: Despite being an early front-runner for the 2008 Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton faces long odds of ever being elected president. But if she can't win, why can't she?

One facile argument, often voiced by Hillary-loathers on the right, is that she's too far to the left. The "real" Hillary is closer to Howard Dean than Bill Clinton, a recent piece in the National Review asserted. Wrong! An unhedged supporter of the war in Iraq, Sen. Clinton stands at the hawkish, interventionist extreme of her party on foreign policy. Despite her pandering vote against CAFTA, she's a confirmed free-trader and deficit hawk. On the cultural issues that often undermine Democrats, she seeks common ground, sometimes with flat-earth conservatives like Rick Santorum, and has been nattering about the "tragedy" of abortion. Even Hillary's notorious government takeover of health care was misconstrued as an ultra-lib stance. In opting for a mixed, private-public managed-competition plan, the then-first lady was repudiating the single-payer model long favored by paleo-liberals. Her plan was flawed in many ways, but it wasn't what Ted Kennedy wanted...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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To: DuckFan4ever; nairBResal

"All she needs is OHIO."

That comment makes nairBResal a troll?


41 posted on 07/30/2005 7:12:27 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Vision

42 posted on 07/30/2005 7:18:00 AM PDT by Tuba Guy (' Only YOU Can Prevent Hillary! ')
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To: DuckFan4ever
Well, you had best prepare actively to defeat them, because they will have the full support of the press 24/7, the full support of Hollywood, tons of money, and the beloved Bill Clinton will be making the rounds non stop.

most likely to cause a military coup in this country,

Don't count on it. They withstood 8 years of him and the hated witch, they will withstand another, albeit, in truncated form.

You will see Bill's face in the MSM more than Hillary's, and Bill does know how to win.


43 posted on 07/30/2005 7:19:59 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: rbg81

I'm scared to death of the Hilda beast being President.

I think she's the end of the world. I think she's one of the most evil people on the planet.


44 posted on 07/30/2005 7:24:03 AM PDT by garyhope (The Islamofascists want Western civilization dead. Simple as that.)
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To: Dane
"First there is no perot..."

A Hillary/McCain coupling in '08 might just be the ticket, no?


45 posted on 07/30/2005 7:24:37 AM PDT by melt (A slimy Michael Moore "film" sticks to you like grime.)
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To: leadpenny; DuckFan4ever

"All she needs is OHIO."

That comment makes nairBResal a troll?

The troll policeman also made this comment:

"but I can believe she would be the President most likely to cause a military coup"


46 posted on 07/30/2005 7:25:25 AM PDT by nairBResal
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To: leadpenny

"Did Bill Clinton write the opening line?"

Did anybody hear Al Franken's Air American satire of Bill killing, according to Hillary, their best drug connection?

I was looking for Rush's program yesterday going to lunch.
I heard this voice that was clearly a satire of Clinton.
It sounded like the kind of satire that Rush produces.
Anyway, Bill shoots this man who speaks with a foreign accent.

Hillary says, "You didn't have to shot our BEST drug connection!"

Bill says, "Oh, didn't I, Hillary? Didn't I?"

Turns out the thing was on Air America. (I had fever and very bad symptoms for three hours after learning I'd been listening to AA.)


47 posted on 07/30/2005 7:26:06 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: pabianice
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48 posted on 07/30/2005 7:27:06 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: garyhope
careful ....... she (it) may be watching


49 posted on 07/30/2005 7:32:11 AM PDT by Tuba Guy (' Only YOU Can Prevent Hillary! ')
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To: Vision
You just watch what she does. She's gonna come out hard right and give you a scare in the next couple years.

I'm watching. And I don't care. Hitlary! doesn't scare me at all.


50 posted on 07/30/2005 7:33:36 AM PDT by rdb3 (You'd PAY to know what you REALLY think.)
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To: pabianice

Hillary is a sure bet for the Democratic nominee in '08. She will get the liberal vote and the womens vote, no matter what they say now. Mrs Clinton will look moderate enough to sway the 1/3 that are not R or D. She wins with a solid plurality. The only thing that can stop her is a Republican minority candidate like Colin Powell, or Condoleeza Rice.


51 posted on 07/30/2005 7:35:45 AM PDT by jeremiah (Patrick Henry said it best, give me liberty or give me death.)
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To: bill1952

After the surgery to remove the cloven hoves, the horns and the permanently attached dildo, ms rodham {daughter and lover of satan}, may be able to garner about 43% of the vote {like slick wille did}. In the absence of perot {or mccain running as an independent} 43% won't cut it.

We know the msm won't question her, report any truth that may be negative or tell any positive truths about the pubbie that runs against her, the American public, {ignorant as it is} still can't like this congenital liar.

All of the shrill rants that are alive and well on tape will come back to haunt her on Fox, the internet and radio.

The pubbies need a solid candidate {my hope is for Dr. Rice} but the elections are more than three years away and the events in the world have a way of changing so it's too early to spend any brain cycles worrying about her thighness.

Go out and enjoy the summer with your family.


52 posted on 07/30/2005 7:36:20 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: pabianice

Why can't she win? Because people who have never voted and never intend to vote again will show up at the polling sites to vote against her like they're cashing in a winning lottery ticket.


53 posted on 07/30/2005 7:38:17 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Free Michael Graham!)
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To: pabianice

I've never seen a good photo of Jacob's face. The only ones I've ever seen are the ones in which he has lip lock on her ample posterior.


54 posted on 07/30/2005 7:39:11 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: leadpenny

Check that persons other posts in here. Walks like a troll, posts like a troll, must be a troll. She Created the username about 2 months ago, and none of the posts/comments in forum she's put up look remotely conservative.


55 posted on 07/30/2005 7:40:39 AM PDT by DuckFan4ever (Go away Hillary and Sen Granny Reid. I can't stand either of you.)
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To: Vision

and there will be "miracle" push polls which show Pres. Bush's approval ratings at the NEGATIVE 40's.


56 posted on 07/30/2005 7:43:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: DuckFan4ever
Your assessment is ludicrous. From the poster's homepage --

Vietnam vet, retired Navy. Behind enemy lines in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Massachusetts. The modern Democrat Party is a collection of the stupid, the lazy, and the misled, run by Communists, that must be reformed or eliminated by an educated and enlightened electorate. John Kerry is simply the latest product of such a collection of undesirables.

57 posted on 07/30/2005 7:44:30 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: DuckFan4ever

You're just wrong. "Troll" is a pretty serious charge around these parts and I've seen nothing on this thread that comes close.


58 posted on 07/30/2005 7:51:57 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: righttackle44
(I had fever and very bad symptoms for three hours after learning I'd been listening to AA.)

You may need an exorcist.

59 posted on 07/30/2005 7:54:56 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Vision
You just watch what she does. She's gonna come out hard right and give you a scare in the next couple years.

I underestimated these creatures in 1992. Again in 1996. After watching them for thirteen years on the national stage, and having talked to a number of Arkansans who assert that all their in-state time was exactly the same, I'll no longer underestimate them. They come out on top of EVERY situation they enter.

As I've said in another thread, I'm STUNNED by the people who pop off their mouths with things like, "Oh PLEASE let her be the Democratic nominee!" That allegedly politically astute people could be so naive is beyond me. She not only has a chance to be president; the only realistic challenger to stop her at this moment is Giuliani.

Here's what's gonna happen over the next couple of years (it's already begun): Hillary will adopt incredibly sensible sounding positions on every major issue. You will hear CONSERVATIVES say, "I never thought I'd say it, but you know what? She's right!" She will be the single most perfect sounding candidate to ever run for the office. The MSM will pull out all the stops and do everything they can to sell the image with near-orgasmic enthusiasm. It will be a propaganda campaign unlike anything seen on the planet before now.

And here's the most dangerous point: There is NOTHING she can say, NO position she can support, that will put a dent in her support from the left. They WORSHIP her. (I started to say they think she's just below God, but for the ones of them who do believe in God, she's probably above Him in their eyes.) Her support from Democrats is automatic, a given. She can focus all her energy on the middle and the right, and she's gonna be strong as garlic in the middle with her new common-sense populist image. She even has a realistic chance to pull some from the right.

The bottom line is that a Hillary presidency is at this point not only possible, but likely. Horrifying, but there it is.

MM

60 posted on 07/30/2005 7:55:19 AM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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