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Ratzinger - "Very Soon It Will Not Be Possible to State That Homosexuality is an Objective Disorder"
LifeSite ^ | July 28, 2005

Posted on 07/29/2005 9:54:14 AM PDT by NYer

ROME, Italy, July 28, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In the conclusion of Cardinal Ratzinger’s lecture, now Pope Benedict XVI, delivered on April 1st, the eve of John Paul II’s death, the then Cardinal strongly denounced the European Enlightenment culture and its increasing dogmatism against religion, Christianity and freedom. 

The Cardinal expressed his belief that the reasons given by the architects of the EU Constitution for excluding God from the document—that the mention of God or recognition of the Christian roots of the continent might offend those of other religions—doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

“The affirmation that the mention of the Christian roots of Europe injures the sentiments of many non-Christians who are in Europe, is not very convincing, given that it relates, first of all, to an historical fact that no one can seriously deny…It is not the mention of God that offends those who belong to other religions, but rather the attempt to build the human community absolutely without God,” said the Cardinal.

Instead, Ratzinger continued, it is obvious that the exclusion of religion from the public sphere is rather the result of the imposition of Enlightenment dogma, which dogma falsely professes the ideals of freedom and tolerance. Indeed, one of the inevitable consequences of what Ratzinger called the ‘Culture of Rights’, as divorced from its Judeo-Christian roots, is that “the concept of discrimination is ever more extended, and so the prohibition of discrimination can be increasingly transformed into a limitation of the freedom of opinion.”

“Very soon,” said the Cardinal in a chilling prophesy that is already coming to fulfillment in many Western nations, including Canada, “it will not be possible to state that homosexuality, as the Catholic Church teaches, is an objective disorder in the structuring of human existence.”

According to Ratzinger it is “obvious that the ill-defined or undefined concept of freedom, which is at the base of this culture, inevitably entails contradictions…A confused ideology of freedom leads to dogmatism, which is showing itself increasingly hostile to freedom.”

Ratzinger concluded by expressing his strong doubt that the Enlightenment culture will ever provide a common cause for men. “We have to ask ourselves,” says the Cardinal, “if it is really complete in itself, to the degree that it has no need of a root outside itself.” The implied answer, of course, is no, the Enlightenment culture without the firm foundation of Europe’s roots in Christianity can only devolve into a pseudo and dogmatic religion, ultimately restrictive of freedom.


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To: sporkgoddess
Do a web search using the phrase "homosexuality and obsessive-compulsive disorder". There are some studies but any cause-effect relationship at this time may be totally anecdotal. This is an issue, like global warming, in which everybody concerned has been co-opted by politics which taints their "science".

Here's an example:HOCD

81 posted on 07/29/2005 1:25:20 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: fortunecookie; Graymatter; Modernman
Thank you, bookmarking.

Here is Part 3!

Meaning and Limits of the Present Rationalist Culture

82 posted on 07/29/2005 1:25:23 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: BikerNYC
The ony real freedom is the freedom to choose the right thing or to choose to learn from and repent of mistakes.

Not everything can fit into that category.

Should I take the job in Houston or Philly? Should I pay off my mortgage now or invest the money? Should I major in biology or physics?

All of our decisions involve freedom, but not all of them involve moral choices

I don't mean to quarrel, but I would have to respectfully disagree. Living in Houston or Philly involve very different moral choices about what culture with which to associate. Not throwing stones (though from my tagline you could guess), but I can't imagine that the quality of life issues presented by the different cities would not involve moral choices. How to be a good steward of the resources (money or otherwise) God has loaned you is one of the most challenging moral choices one must make. And biology or physics? Read the headlines from today and 1945 and then see if the practical applications of biology or physics require moral choices.

I think you will find, if you look carefully, all decisions involve moral choices. At least, that's how I think we are intended to live.

83 posted on 07/29/2005 1:26:44 PM PDT by naturalized (Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking.)
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To: NYer

bttt


84 posted on 07/29/2005 1:27:35 PM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: NYer

Why does everyone refer to the Pope as "Ratzinger?" His name is now Benedict.


85 posted on 07/29/2005 1:28:18 PM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: Political Junkie Too
they refer to him as Pope in the opening sentence and then revert back to his Cardinal name for the rest of the article.

They are simply stating a fact. At the time of this address, he was a Cardinal, hence the title of the article. Since delivering this talk, he has been elected Pope.

86 posted on 07/29/2005 1:28:35 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I hear ya. However, this speech was given before Cardinal Ratzinger became Pope. It was given on April 1, 2005 - the day before Pope John Paul II died.
87 posted on 07/29/2005 1:29:32 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Trimegistus
Why does everyone refer to the Pope as "Ratzinger?" His name is now Benedict.

See my post #86.

88 posted on 07/29/2005 1:29:34 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

He is NOT playing. Love it!


89 posted on 07/29/2005 1:30:02 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: sporkgoddess
Here's and abstract of an article in the British Journal of Psychiatry:

HOCD

90 posted on 07/29/2005 1:30:17 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: hispanichoosier
I am extremely attracted to very beautiful women. How I control my thought life affects how I control my actions. If I look at or watch porn, or just allow myself to dwell on lustful thoughts, it destroys my self control, and I have a stronger craving. Much like an alcoholic.

"Whatsoever a man thinks in his heart, so is he ... " Proverbs 23:7

91 posted on 07/29/2005 1:31:03 PM PDT by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: NYer

Why do so many articles about the Pope continue to refer to him as "Ratzinger?"

John Paul II was always referred to as such.


92 posted on 07/29/2005 1:31:06 PM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: sporkgoddess
Here's a link to some info right here on FR:

HOCD

93 posted on 07/29/2005 1:32:52 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: wideawake

Coming soon to a state near you.


94 posted on 07/29/2005 1:35:43 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Modernman
As a Catholic, that is your position. However, no other religion accepts that claim (AFAIK).

Yes, that is true. The the Roman Catholic Church alone claims this doctrine.

95 posted on 07/29/2005 1:37:12 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: NYer

**Ratzinger - "Very Soon It Will Not Be Possible to State That Homosexuality is an Objective Disorder"**

What's objective about it? LOL!


96 posted on 07/29/2005 1:40:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer; ELS
Thanks. I missed that distinction.

-PJ

97 posted on 07/29/2005 1:43:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: One Proud Dad

"...dump the technical language or reasons of homosexuality and just call it what it is..."

When one does not have to be encumbered with PC terms can be descriptive - a doctor I knew in Ireland called those 'afflicted' with homosexuality 'dung punchers'.

As to genetics, if it were genetic it would not be reproduced, and by now would have the same prevalence as the Dodo... 'Dung punching' does not produce offspring, at least not of a human sort.


98 posted on 07/29/2005 1:43:57 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: hispanichoosier
I disagree that homosexual attraction in and of itself is sinful. It is disordered because it is out-of-synch with what God intended, but so is myopia (which I have).

Well, come on now; nearsightedness is not a behavior, its a medical description for a common anomoly with our eyesight, something that cannot be controlled or changed by the person "having" it. Homosexuality is a behavior...behaviors we can change...and should change if it goes against the will of God.

99 posted on 07/29/2005 1:44:30 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.)
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To: fish hawk

Allow me to add my dittos. I think the Church is in good hands with Benedict.


100 posted on 07/29/2005 1:45:33 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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