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Ditka tackles ban on smoking; Proposal's foes bring in Da Coach - Chicago, IL
Chicago Tribune ^ | July 13, 2005 | Delroy Alexander

Posted on 07/13/2005 6:08:21 PM PDT by Garnet Dawn

Ditka tackles ban on smoking - Proposal's foes bring in Da Coach

By Delroy Alexander Tribune staff reporter Published July 13, 2005

Former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka on Tuesday became the public face of the opposition to a sweeping new measure that would ban smoking inside almost all public places in Chicago, from bars and restaurants to train platforms....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: ban; chicago; dabears; dacoach; ditka; smokersrights; smoking; tobacco
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Hi,

Hooray for Ditka!!!! Please also vote on the poll whether smoking in Chicago restaurants should be allowed!!!

We need smokers to participate....here are the results at 7:45 p.m. Central Daylite Time. Go to the bottom left side of the story, under the Ditka quotes. We need to hear from more smokers!!!! I don't know how much longer this poll will be open for votes.....help us fight them!!!
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Ditka tackles ban on smoking - Proposal's foes bring in Da Coach

By Delroy Alexander Tribune staff reporter Published July 13, 2005

Former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka on Tuesday became the public face of the opposition to a sweeping new measure that would ban smoking inside almost all public places in Chicago, from bars and restaurants to train platforms.

Ditka, the founder of Mike Ditka's restaurant downtown, appeared at a City Council hearing to speak against the proposal on behalf of the hospitality, restaurant and liquor industries.

"Don't impose the will of the few on the lives of the many," said Ditka, who drew a strong reaction from the audience when he used an expletive to describe the proposed smoking ban.

Ditka's testimony stretched more than 30 minutes during a nearly 3-hour session, the first in a series of public hearings to discuss the latest anti-smoking moves that could result in some of the toughest prohibitions in the nation.

The former coach suggested the City Council should push to ban smoking entirely if it seriously wanted to address the health concerns related to lighting up a cigar or cigarette.

Later in the hearing, a Chicago woman who said second-hand smoke gave her throat cancer at the age of 37 spoke in favor of banning smoking in public places.

Ditka, who is often pictured smoking a big cigar, said any new measures restricting smoking in public places would hurt his business and other city establishments because high-paying customers who like to drink and smoke at the same time would avoid eating out altogether. A ban also would impinge on customers' right to choose what they do when they go out to eat, he said.

"If you take this revenue away from restaurants, you are going to lose a lot of jobs," Ditka said.

The anti-smoking lobby, which supports the strict new guidelines, was represented by Mary Rondoni, 39, a former Chicago bartender and waitress of 20 years. She said she believes second-hand smoke led her to being diagnosed two years ago with late-stage throat cancer, often seen in aging long-term smokers.

"I am a young non-smoker and had no risk factors in my family history," said Rondoni, who has had three surgeries so far during cancer treatment. "It is very likely my exposure to years of second-hand smoke brought this disease to me, and it will be years before I know if I am to survive."

Rondoni, now a spokeswoman for the American Cancer Society, called it shameful that, in her view, businesses continue to put profit before the growing amount of evidence of the harmful effect of second-hand smoke.

Rondoni's and Ditka's comments came after Ald. Ed Smith (28th), chairman of the City Council's Health Committee, introduced legislation that would ban smoking inside public spaces. The legislation also would force smokers who gather outside office doorways to be at least 25 feet away from any area where smoking is banned.

The only exceptions spelled out in the measure are for private homes, hotels and motels and retail tobacco stores.

Mayor Richard Daley has not taken a stand on the legislation. He has so far preferred to wait and see what, if any, proposals finally emerge from the City Council.

Critics have charged that the proposed legislation, as currently constituted, has little chance of winning the 26 votes needed to pass. Even some aldermen on the committee who support the legislation appear willing to look at fresh options.

"I think it's a little early for talk of compromise," said Ald. Joe Moore (49th). "But I am a realist, and three-quarters of a loaf is better than none at all."

The anti-smoking debate has been heated in several Chicago suburbs in recent years, with Evanston, Skokie, Wilmette and Highland Park among more than 1,900 municipalities nationwide that have some type of restrictions on smoking. Seven states, including California, Massachusetts and New York, ban smoking in bars and restaurants.

Proposals to tighten the prohibitions in Chicago as a whole over the years have failed to win council approval, including a broad ban, similar to the measure discussed Tuesday, which was proposed by Ald. Edward Burke (14th) in 2002.

In 1988, the City Council prohibited smoking in many indoor public places. But it permitted creation of designated smoking areas in buildings, including restaurants, and left bars untouched.

Ald. Tom Tunney (44th), owner of Ann Sather Restaurants and former chairman of the Illinois Restaurant Association, has been touting a restaurant-only smoking ban until 9 p.m., after which customers could smoke freely. Another idea being floated is a ban that would cover all restaurants, except establishments that obtain a special smoking permit.

Illinois Restaurant Association President Colleen McShane said her group opposes any new measures but is open to a compromise. McShane would not endorse any potential alternative until she had a chance to check with her members.

McShane said the restaurant business is too important to risk jeopardizing with new smoking restrictions.

With about 210,000 workers employed in 6,000 eateries in the city, restaurant owners are Chicago's largest private employers, McShane said. "A $1 million loss in a hospitality establishment directly results in the loss of 34 jobs," McShane said.

Andrew Hyland, an associate professor at the University of Buffalo's Roswell Park Cancer Institute, said studies of New York's ban on smoking in restaurants and bars, first imposed in 1995, showed that 22,000 more employees now work in restaurants in that city, an 18 percent increase. He said his research was geared primarily toward the true economic impact of a smoking ban.

"Data from multiple, objective sources all indicate that the law worked--the air got cleaner, people supported it, and it was not bad for the hospitality economy," he said

dalexander@tribune.com
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His greatest hits

Mike Ditka sounded off on the smoking ban Tuesday. Here's what he had to say:

On the effects of a ban: "You're going to erode the whole basis of your business. People are going to say, 'You know what, I can save $500. Let me cook a couple steaks on the grill, get my own bottle of wine for $49, and I'll smoke a cigar wherever I want to.' "

On the hypocrisy of the idea: "If it's a non-smoking ban, ban all smoking everywhere. In the house, on the street, everywhere. Get rid of it all ... let's go get 'em! If you want to do it, do it right."

On government intrusion: "I wouldn't impose my will on anybody, believe me. I can give up smoking cigars tomorrow ... today if I wanted to. But when I want to smoke one, I want to smoke one. That really bugs me when someone says, 'God darn you're in America, but you can't do this stuff.' ... These laws are laws that have been implemented after the fact by man, they're not naturally laws of God."

--Jimmy Greenfield, RedEye

Hot issue

Should smoking be banned in restaurants and bars?

58.9% Yes (10451 responses)

41.1% No (7307 responses)

17758 total responses (Poll results not scientific)

1 posted on 07/13/2005 6:08:23 PM PDT by Garnet Dawn
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To: Garnet Dawn
Here is the Tribune link to the poll again, if you are having any trouble accessing it. Ditka tackles ban on smoking . Thanks!!
2 posted on 07/13/2005 6:14:08 PM PDT by Garnet Dawn (""A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Garnet Dawn
Here is the Tribune link to the poll again, if you are having any trouble accessing it. Ditka tackles ban on smoking . Thanks!!
3 posted on 07/13/2005 6:15:06 PM PDT by Garnet Dawn (""A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Garnet Dawn
If second hand smoke is SO harmful, the entire baby boom generation would be dropping like flies. Few of us would have made it past forty, as when we were growing up, it was E V E R Y W H E R E. The only place you couldn't smoke was in an elevator.
4 posted on 07/13/2005 6:18:54 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...rethinking the Oprah thing. Watch Soros closely.)
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To: Garnet Dawn
Should smoking be banned in restaurants and bars?

Poll of restaurant and bar owners:

Hell no, it's our businesses! Government stay out - 95%

Yes, we would love the government to tell us how we can run our establishments - 3%

I don't know - 1%

I don't care - 1%

Go get 'em Mike. Hate the Bears, love the man!

5 posted on 07/13/2005 6:20:20 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

37 years old with throat cancer from SHS? PROVE IT! This is bull$hit. How could she have gotten it from SHS when heavy smokers don't get it at 37? There are other risk factors, namely ingestion of alcohol. Has she ever had an alcoholic beverage?


6 posted on 07/13/2005 6:23:02 PM PDT by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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To: Garnet Dawn
Even some aldermen on the committee who support the legislation appear willing to look at fresh options.

Ya think maybe give the establishments the choice? What a novel idea! I'm tired of the non-smoking gestapos taking our freedoms. If you don't like being somewhere where people smoke, then don't go there. Stay outside and breath car emissions and exhaust!

7 posted on 07/13/2005 6:27:53 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Garnet Dawn
"The legislation also would force smokers who gather outside office doorways to be at least 25 feet away from any area where smoking is banned."

This is absurd. They won't stop until smoking is equated with leprosy.

8 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:23 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...rethinking the Oprah thing. Watch Soros closely.)
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To: Garnet Dawn; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; Cantiloper; metesky; ...

9 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:30 PM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Free Republic! Help keep our forum free!!!)
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To: Garnet Dawn
"...when I want to smoke one, I want to smoke one. That really bugs me when someone says, 'God darn you're in America, but you can't do this stuff.' ... These laws are laws that have been implemented after the fact by man, they're not naturally laws of God."

I grieved for a month when he turned down the run for the Senate.

10 posted on 07/13/2005 6:31:24 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...rethinking the Oprah thing. Watch Soros closely.)
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To: SheLion; Gabz

I was just gonna ping you and Gabz. ;*)


11 posted on 07/13/2005 6:31:51 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: Garnet Dawn
Article on second hand smoke! Not as harmful as publicized!

http://www.ornl.gov/info/press_releases/archive/mr20000203-00.html
12 posted on 07/13/2005 6:32:08 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
If second hand smoke is SO harmful, the entire baby boom generation would be dropping like flies. Few of us would have made it past forty

And (big And!) the link between cigarette smoking and cancer probably never would have been established.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 07/13/2005 6:38:23 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: oprahstheantichrist; SheLion

As the mother of five healthy Boomers I agree------by the way,none of them smoke but they grew up up surrounded by smoke. They always were,and are,quite healthy.

The only health problem they had was chicken pox and we sure can't blame smoking for that (although the antis would if they could).

What a ridiculous world we are living in !


14 posted on 07/13/2005 6:43:15 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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Hi,

Here is more news on proposed Chicago smoking ban. I am so happy Mike Ditka finally is taking a stand again!!! Way to go! We need to remind the Chicago aldermen that they will be violating our Constitution and Bill of Rights, just like all the other cities with current bans have done, if they pass a smoking ban. Restaurant owners, just like every citizen in this country, are supposed to be guaranteed the Right to Private Property.

As pointed out by Maureen Martin (senior fellow for legal affairs for the Heartland Institute) this past Monday, "In a U.S. Supreme court decision during the early 1970's involving leafletting Vietnam War protesters turned away from a shopping mall, the Supreme Court said a place of business does not become public property just because the public is invited in. By that same reasoning, a restaurant or bar is not public property."

We are adults making a choice to use a legal product. Maybe others don't like it.....maybe it is not a healthy choice, but it is our choice....that's the way it needs to remain in the USA if we are to remain an icon of freedom for the rest of the world. Our image has suffered serious tarnishing over the last several years....let's not make it worse!

This is not about unproven junk science health theories from Extremist Special Interest Groups (like the ACS) who lobby on dangers from SHS, it is about freedom!!

Garnet Dawn
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http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_193125107.html
Jul 12, 2005 11:50 am US/Central

Ban Would Snuff Out Smoking
Ditka, Restaurant Owners Speak Against Proposal


Mike Parker Reporting

(CBS) CHICAGO Before the smoke cleared Tuesday, Coach Mike Ditka tried to clear the air over a sweeping plan to ban smoking in virtually every indoor public building in Chicago.

Ditka was one of many restaurant owners who engaged in a heated debate Tuesday morning about the city’s proposed smoking ban. Some restaurant and bar owners are worried the proposed ban could snuff out business.

The debate raged at City Hall as public hearings on the proposed ban were held.

If the measure is approved, Chicago will have the most restrictive anti-smoking ordinance in the nation, tougher even than New York City and Los Angeles.

Various health experts also came to City Hall to testify on behalf of the ordinance as restaurant and bar owners called for its defeat.

“All you are trying to do is really hurt the restaurant business and the rest of the businesses’ business, really,” Ditka said. “And that bothers me a lot.”

But Ald. Ed Smith is a believer in the ban.

“I’m here to trying to do my job. I’m here to try to make sure people are healthy,” said Smith, who proposed the ban. “That’s all this is about. I am not trying to browbeat anyone.”

The Health Committee is hearing testimony on the proposal to totally outlaw smoking in restaurants, bars, malls, sports stadiums and train platforms in the city.

But that proposal did not browbeat Mike Ditka. He showed up without his usual cigar to tell the aldermen it will hurt not only restaurants, but cripple the convention business here.

“Now, I drove down Michigan Avenue yesterday, and I bring this up as a point. I got behind a CTA bus, and I thought I would be asphyxiated,” Ditka said. “Are we going to outlaw CTA buses?”

“When we drop our business down and lay off people, where will they work?” asked Billy Goat Tavern owner Sam Sianis.

The American Cancer Society is prepared to testify that the danger of secondhand smoke can be controlled.

“It’s important for everyone who does not smoke to not be exposed to secondhand smoke,” said Mary Maryland with the cancer society. “All of the other major cities have stepped up and passed an ordinance. Now it’s important for Chicago to step up and do the same.”

Ald. William Beavers, who is a renowned cigarette smoker, says this proposal will never pass without compromises. Ald. Smith says he’ll be willing to listen.

(© MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
15 posted on 07/13/2005 6:55:13 PM PDT by Garnet Dawn (""A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Garnet Dawn

Time for a Punch double corona.......

Oh yeah, can't smoke in the office anymore.

16 posted on 07/13/2005 6:55:36 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

That's right. I never knew an adult that didn't smoke when I was growing up, and they smoked all the time, anywhere and everywhere.


17 posted on 07/13/2005 6:58:26 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: boop

37 years old with throat cancer from SHS? PROVE IT! This is bull$hit. How could she have gotten it from SHS when heavy smokers don't get it at 37? There are other risk factors, namely ingestion of alcohol. Has she ever had an alcoholic beverage?




Yeah, the God-&^%*d ACS (in Toledo)searched & searched until they found a guy who'd had his larnyx removed & claimed it was from ETS. They paraded him before city council & made sure the media was there. The great thing was....this was to get the ban in Toledo passed...and the guy didn't even LIVE IN TOLEDO!! He's now back doing commercials 24/7 for the ACS calling for a statewide ban.

My Mother died from cirrhosis (sp?) of the liver...and NEVER DRANK A DROP OF ALCOHOL!! Not once in her life! When she went into a coma, all the hospital staff told us they'd thought she'd been an alcoholic. I used to live above a kindly woman who never smoked, never drank, and was a vegetarian. Never had been sick a day in her life. One day, she felt strange, collapsed, was rushed to the hospital. They found she was riddled with cancer throughout her body. Six months later, she was dead. She'd never worked around smokers & none of her family smoked-although they didn't care if I did-but, that's because it was in the 70's.


18 posted on 07/13/2005 8:22:15 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: SheLion

Hey, gorgeous, do you have that WHO report -that the media buried -that debunked their other report? The one that said ETS was NOT harmful? It's gettin' hot & heavy on a local board, and I need some documents to back me up. Thanks.


19 posted on 07/13/2005 9:17:03 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Garnet Dawn

Good for Ditka. It is most admirable that he took a public stand on this issue!!!!


20 posted on 07/13/2005 9:34:53 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Off-the-cuff-comments are NOT CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence.)
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