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Muslims Crowding London's Mosques Say They Fear Backlash in Aftermath of Bombings
AP ^ | Jul 8, 2005 | Jill Lawless

Posted on 07/08/2005 12:59:23 PM PDT by phoenix_004

Thousands of Muslims crowded London mosques for Friday prayers, condemning the bombings, but also wary they could be made scapegoats and fearful of reprisals against their growing and vibrant community. At the East London Mosque, near the site of one of Thursday's attacks, an imam told the 8,000 worshippers to be "confident in our identity" as part of London's multicultural fabric.

The mosque said it had received hate e-mails and a telephone threat to disrupt Friday prayers. A few police officers stood outside during the prayers, which ended peacefully.

Outside, some Muslims said the attacks had made them more cautious on the streets, but others said they were secure in their identity as Londoners - confident of the city's tolerant traditions.

"It will have some impact on people. But this is London, a cosmopolitan city," said student Ali Ayubi. "Maybe after one or two months it will go back to normal."

At the huge brick mosque in an East End neighborhood that's home to many with roots in Pakistan and Bangladesh, imam Sheikh Abdul Qayyum told worshippers that Muslims were "part of the rich diversity of British life."

"At this difficult time, some people in our community may feel insecure purely because they are Muslims, but these terrible events have nothing to do with us. The Muslims of London are victims as much as their fellow citizens," he said.

All of Britain's major Muslim groups condemned the bombings, which killed dozens and wounded more than 700. But some feared they would be blamed for the bombings, which police said bore the hallmarks of al-Qaida.

"This morning I was driving to work and a woman on the radio said she'd had her headscarf pulled. I was shocked, to be honest," said Ahmed Shafi, 31, a grocery store manager. "In this day and age you don't expect that."

Almost 1 million of London's 8 million people are Muslims. They're inseparable from the fabric of the city's society and its history. From the opulent glitz of Harrods department store - owned by Egyptian-born Mohammed al Fayed - to the kebab shops that dot the city's streets, Muslims have long been part of London's glamour and its grit.

Prime Minister Tony Blair stressed that Islam was not the culprit in the bombings.

"We know that these people act in the name of Islam, but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims, here and abroad, are decent and law-abiding people who abhor this act of terrorism every bit as much as we do," he said Thursday.

That message was underscored by Muslims on the streets.

"Many Muslims are British. They have lived here for years. What happens to London happens to them," said Suraiya Zammath, a Bangladeshi woman visiting relatives in London. "This should not be singled out as 'Islamic terrorists.' That destabilizes the community."

Abdul Mukith, a 37-year-old supermarket worker in Brick Lane, the heart of London's Bangladeshi community, agreed.

"What's religion got to do with it?" he asked. "I'm bloody Muslim, and I'm afraid to go into the city" just like anyone else in the aftermath of the attacks.

Still, some feared a backlash. The Muslim Council of Britain said it had been deluged with hate e-mails, which caused its server to crash late Thursday. Though it was up and running Friday, the council said it was still getting a steady stream of vitriolic missives.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said Friday that police were aware of one or two "very minor incidents" involving backlash against Muslims, but he didn't elaborate.

He said that so far, "Britain with its liberal and welcoming approach to people is taking this in its stride. I'm very proud of that."

Representatives of several religious faiths held a silent prayer vigil Friday in a street near Aldgate subway station, where seven people died.

"There is a worry, but I think we can overcome this because we have been working with all the communities together," said Muhammad Abdul Bari, chairman of the East London Mosque.

"As Muslims, as British citizens, as Londoners, we are confident nothing will happen to us. We have to face it with resilience and with confidence."

But Shafi feared he and other Muslims would endure animosity in the coming days and weeks.

"I'm a practicing Muslim, I've got a beard. After 9/11 people called me bin Laden," he said. "But I was born and brought up here, and I don't consider myself anything but British."


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To: Maceman

"make aggressive public statements"
Would a Fatwa fill that bill? It might reassure Londoners...


281 posted on 07/08/2005 2:49:09 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: brownsfan

"What kind of readings have you done? I would like to find objective material on the subject. I don't wish to read the Koran, I know that's a rambling, barely coherent text. I've read much, but it's always been things where I don't trust the spin. I'd like to know more about this mohammed from an objective source.
Is it possible that he is the anti-Christ?"

Type in search on Google and get the history. I can't answer if he is the anti-christ. From a Christian perspective he probably would be considered a false prophet. Anti-Christ to me will be more of a government or group of governments as opposed to a belief in satan-possessed individual.


282 posted on 07/08/2005 2:49:59 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: muawiyah

Elaborate, please.


283 posted on 07/08/2005 2:50:28 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Man50D
The "two faced" behavior is condoned by a principle known as al Taqiyya. The link is written is an Islamic scholar. If you are short of time, the term boils down to bold face lying to cover your real motivation...as long as it furthers the interest of Islam.

Part I

Part II

Part III

The key observation is that you can't trust a damn thing uttered by a Muslim. Lying is ethically proper in their world view.

284 posted on 07/08/2005 2:51:52 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: winner3000

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Seattle Catholic
A Journal of Catholic News and Views
18 Jan 2002
Muslim Persecution of Catholics

The violence perpetuated by the "religion of peace"

As the Catholic Church finds new ways to approach the issue of "world peace", it is faced with an unfortunate reality: currently no religious group in the world is subjected to more violence and persecution than Christians. While the Church has been instrumental in eliminating the "discrimination" towards other religions in formerly Catholic countries, not all of those other religions have followed suit.

In particular, the cult of Islam which is now referred to by confused Catholics as a "religion of peace", has shown little sign of letting up on its fourteen-hundred year campaign to eliminate Christianity. While the Pope welcomed the construction of a mosque in Rome almost completely financed by Saudi royalty, the construction of a Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia is strictly forbidden. Measures Catholic nations used to take to prevent the spread of error are subjected to the harsh condemnation of both secular revisionists and modern Catholics alike. But those same tactics employed in the Arabian counties of the Middle East are ignored out of a relativist sense of "tolerance".

The Church has decided to stop fighting its enemies in the interests of "religious liberty" and "dialogue", but its enemies have made no such concession:

The Church has chosen the road of negotiation and is "leading" by example, but such tactics appear to deny a fundamental and obvious truth not lost on the over one billion Muslims: the opposite of truth is error and error has no rights. Error is not something to be flattered, negotiated with, tolerated or accepted. It is offense to God and man and must be eliminated through conversion. The Muslims beliefs are false but their grasp of such a simple concept is irrefutable.

The relativism that considers all religions more or less good is a product of man, not God. The followers of Mohammed are right to completely reject the "enlightened" ideas of modern philosophy as every pre-Vatican II Pope did. Unless the Catholic Church is able to reclaim this truth for itself, it will find itself in an impossible position: having to defend itself from an enemy which Catholics were raised to believe is an innocent and peaceful ally.

There are many examples of persecution of Catholics at the hand of Muslims. Three areas of the world will be examined here.

Pakistan

Recently, a highly-publicized recent massacre in a Pakistani Catholic Church has caused many local Catholics to stay home on Sundays rather than risk a repeat of such a violent attack. Christians comprise less than 3% of the almost exclusively Muslim population of Pakistan.

On October 26, Pakistani newspapers printed the al-Qaeda demand for the death of two Christians in retaliation for every Muslim killed in the U.S. military strikes on Afghanistan. Two days later, masked gunmen opened fire on in a Church in Bahawalpur, putting 142 bullets into the walls, windows and altar and killing fifteen:

The investigation into the affair was big on political statements but lacking on effort: True to their words, the Bahawalpur attacks really were "just the beginning". Nine days, later another shooting occurred: and two days after that: Not only did these Muslim terrorists fail to get the Pope's message that "authentic" Islam is a "religion of peace", but they completely missed President Bush's insistence that "this is not a holy war".

Indonesia

Over the past two years, Muslim extremists have been waging a Jihad against Christians in the Moluccas region of Indonesia, bombing churches, burning homes and killing over 9,000 people.

On November 1st, militant forces trampled through the village of Waimulang, torching 350 homes and displacing over 1,000 people.6

On November 20th, nine Christians merchants were shot down in their boat while bringing goods to the shore.7

On November 26th, Muslim militants fought to overtake a Catholic educational compound and disabled children's center (!) so as to make it their military base:

Meanwhile, in the Sulawesi region of Indonesia, over 50,000 Christians are been forced to flee their homes to escape the violent Muslim militia. On December 20th, a peace agreement was signed between Muslim and Christian leaders, putting an end to the violence for almost two weeks. On January 1st, four churches were bombed.10

To make matters even worse, the Sulawesi region has also been host to al-Qaeda terrorist camps:

Given the past track record of the Indonesian government and army with regards to Christians, the efforts to stop the violence have been understandably slow. In December of 1975, the Indonesian army invaded the small Catholic country of East Timor beginning a bloody twenty-five year occupation that ended in a post-election slaughter of thousands. At the time of their withdrawal in 1999, the Indonesian army had killed an estimated 200,000 Timorese (one-third of the original population) and still detains an estimated 100,000 as political prisoners.12

Sudan

In the northern states of Sudan, the Muslim majority has been working to implement the Muslim Sharia law which includes such things as stoning for adultery, the illegality of any Christian worship or "proselytism" and the relegation of women to second-class citizens.

Christians have been protesting against the imposition of these laws and accompanying "Islamization" of the country by the Khartoum government, but have faced increasing violence. Rather than risk having their children seized and forced into slavery, many have fled to the predominately Christian southern states, which are receiving more refugees than they can handle:

With the body count now exceeding 2 million, the Sudanese civil war has been the bloodiest Africa has seen in decades.

In a supposed exchange for information on the terrorist attacks, the U.S. has removed obstacles to the lifting of UN sanctions — a move which seems to reward the oppressive Khartoum government. An open letter to the president signed by dozens of religious leaders and human rights activists rightfully criticized the move:

This was certainly a strange reward, but merely a prelude of the Bush Jr. administration's "policy" on China's human rights record. It's also a little ironic considering the ties between Sudan and bin Laden. According to Bishop Cesare Mazzolari of southern Sudan: The spread of Islam in the African nations is cause for great concern: Such a pattern has been more often the rule than the exception whenever the Muslim population becomes the majority. With Western European birthrates plummeting and the Muslim population and immigration surging without limits, it is not unthinkable to see the same "pattern" repeat itself in the heart of Western Civilization.

Conclusion

Father Vincent Serralda, a French priest who lived among Muslims in North Africa for fifty years, prepared a study analyzing the Koran and warning French families of the danger of Islam. He wrote in the preface:

Faced with such overwhelming evidence of the violent nature of Islam, both historically and throughout the modern world, how is it possible to maintain that Islam is a "peaceful" religion? While the Church is held responsible for launching the Crusades, Islam is not held accountable for the Turks' acts of terrorism which prompted them. The same double-standard exists today. Militant Muslims murdering millions of Christians in the name of their religion is not seen as any sort of problem with the false religion of Islam, but the misguided actions of a few radicals who misunderstand the "true" and "authentic" Islam.

And what is "authentic" Islam? One need look no further than the beliefs of their human founder himself:

Our Lady of Victory, Pray for Us.

Peter W. Miller
Seattle, WA
1/18/2002

FOOTNOTES:
1 From the Interventionis in scriptis on 13 October 1999 of His Eminence Mgr Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, OFM, Archbishop of Smyrna, at the Synod of European Bishops
2 ZENIT, "Christians in Pakistan Fear a 'Christmas Bloodbath'" (12/5/2001)
3 Ibid.
4 Ibid.
5 Ibid.
6 FIDES, "New Attacks by Muslim Extremists on Christians in Indonesia" (11/9/2001)
7 ZENIT, "9 Christians Shot Dead in Indonesia" (1/12/2001)
8 CWNews, "Indonesian Catholics Under Siege by Jihad Forces" (11/26/2001)
9 ZENIT, "Indonesian Christians Suffering New Attacks" (12/8/2001)
10 ZENIT, "4 Churches Bombed in Indonesia" (1/2/2002)
11 CWNews, "Indonesia says al-Qaeda Set Up Camps in Sulawesi" (12/13/2001)
12 Source: East Timor Action Network
13 FIDES, "Thousands Face Death in Sudan for Lack of Water" (1/11/2002)
14 ZENIT, "Letter to Bush Regarding Rapprochment with Sudan" (11/20/2001)
15 ZENIT, "Sudan Supports Terrorism, Bishop of Rumbek Says" (11/25/2001)
16 J. Burger, "Sudan's Christians Fight for Survival" National Catholic Register (12/2/2001)
17 Fr. J. Emily, "September 11 and the True Face of Islam" (2001)
18 Catholic Encyclopedia, "Mohammed and Mohammedanism" (1911)

285 posted on 07/08/2005 2:53:24 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Sonar5

The troll was stuned. Good.


286 posted on 07/08/2005 2:53:39 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: lastfreeamerican

The question is whether or not the 'Christian evangelical' who shot up the abortion clinic is a Christian in any real sense of the word.


287 posted on 07/08/2005 2:53:46 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: phoenix_004
Ack! There's that photo again. Halloween in July
288 posted on 07/08/2005 2:54:26 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Bernard Marx

Ping


289 posted on 07/08/2005 2:55:42 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: Lijahsbubbe

"Interesting that the only detail you provide is that the person was an "evangelical" Christian.
You aren't comparing evangelical Christians to Muslim terrorists, are you?"

Get a grip. It is simply a fact that the man who gunned down the Pensacola abortion clinic was (or at least claimed to be) an evangelical Christian, and it is also a fact that evangelical Christians everywhere (with a few nutcase exceptions) denounced that act. If you don't have the imagination or common sense to understand that a few members of a group can commit acts contrary to what the majority of that group does, then that's your fault. Luckily, our leadership does not have that problem. Hey, the IRA committed terrorist acts, right? That doesn't mean that I, as a Catholic, am guilty-by-association. Nor does it mean that there is something innately evil about my Faith. You don't seem to perceive any difference between violent Islamic extremism (which is bred primarily in politically, socially or economically unstable regions) and the moderate, peaceful and tolerant Islam that is practiced in stable (and typically diverse) regions. Extremism does not spring forth from religion--it comes from desperation at the bottom and cynical manipulation at the top. It's lazy, childish and cowardly to demonize an entire group of people simply because you are pissed--we're all pissed. As Americans, we can show are spine by remaining clear-headed.


290 posted on 07/08/2005 2:55:53 PM PDT by lastfreeamerican (let them eat yellowcake)
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To: iThinkBig

It's not an attack against Christianity. They are attacking all people who do not adhere to their fundamentalist beliefs and that includes other muslims. Don't lose sight of the big picture.


291 posted on 07/08/2005 2:56:17 PM PDT by debg
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To: brownsfan

Same thing for that city in Maine also. Plus, here in Seattle where I work, you cannot walk a block without seeing two or three of the women dressed in the head covers they are required to wear. When I moved here 14 years ago, I never saw that. Only in the past four or five years has it gotten worse. You cannot take a taxis now with a driver that speaks real English. Most are from India, Pakistan, Africa, Far East. Very few "whites" drive taxis in Seattle. Most are from other countries. Seattle is slowly but surely being over run by foreigners also. But, these leftist here don't care because it is more votes for their socialist ways. Three years. I need three quick years till my wife retires and we are out of this cess pool.


292 posted on 07/08/2005 2:56:30 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The U.S. government and courts are stealing your freedom & liberty!)
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To: iThinkBig
Well Mohammad had a great incentive program, 77 virgins. I would consider joining if he offered some sort of dental or health plan. Some of them really need it.
293 posted on 07/08/2005 2:56:47 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: phoenix_004
How many London area muslims knew about the attack before it happened? How many London area muslims know where the conspirators who survived the attack are right now? 10? a hundred?

Somewhere in between is probably correct and they fear a backlash? Well they should.

294 posted on 07/08/2005 2:57:07 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Sonar5
And this has nothing to do with guns,

It's called an analogy.

As I posted to someone else, and has been posted all over here, there are people helping to break up terrorism rings. And probably not just in the UK, ya' know? Probably here too, but the FBI doesn't issue press releases. Kinda' like self-defense usages not being written up in newspapers, so they mustn't exist (yet another analogy).

I worked in London for several months, and was in King's Cross daily. My boss had us all staying in a Marriott down the street from a Muslim Student Center, this less than 1 year after 9/11. Sure - I think there are a lot of bad apples in the barrel, but to paint everyone with the same brush is what liberals do (consider group rights and responsibilities) rather than what conservative do.

Thank you for your service, btw.

295 posted on 07/08/2005 2:58:11 PM PDT by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right ; Sig Sauer is my equalizer)
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To: lastfreeamerican
Damn, this is one paranoid thread. Should the Brits have nuked all the Catholics after the first IRA attack? I lived in England for 2 years, and I met and had a pint with more than a few Muslims in that period. Who knew they were all blood-thirsty savages bent on taking over the world? Gimme a break. I agree with Bush and Co: These killers are fringe fanatics, Islamic in name only.

Actually you have the view reversed. The civilized people who identify themselves as Muslims are like "Sunday Christians". Their piety and commitment to their religious principles is superficial. Frankly, we should be happy that most Muslims practice the religion in a superficial way. The terrorists are behaving exactly as the Koran demands that a believer should behave. The more fervently they believe, the more violent is their behavior toward non-believers.

296 posted on 07/08/2005 2:58:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: muir_redwoods

I would bet 0. They were all warned before the attack as they always have been.


297 posted on 07/08/2005 2:59:17 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: brownsfan

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.


298 posted on 07/08/2005 3:02:08 PM PDT by livius
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To: lastfreeamerican

Obviously it's you who lacks common sense. You'd have to be, in order to compare the lone act of a man to the millions of Muslim terrorists and their supporters that we are dealing with.

Way to go, Gomer.


299 posted on 07/08/2005 3:02:21 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: phoenix_004
WAAAAH!

If they are so afraid why don't they insist that the government set up detention centers internment camps safe haven facilities where they can go when they feel threatened?

300 posted on 07/08/2005 3:02:58 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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