I think this speaks for itself.
Posted on 07/05/2005 5:31:57 AM PDT by Bon mots
I hear you, but I do think that if men and women are unsatisfied with where they are in their lives (and a lot of men and women are dissatisfied), it's incumbent on them to do some self reflection, evaluation, and make changes. At least one definition of 'insanity' is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. By that standard, by their conduct and a lack of a willingness to make adjustments, millions of men and women are insane. ;-)
I have been a stay at home Mom and I have worked when my children were older. I believe in equality and thats it...the rest is a human condition we all suffer from time to time. Biologically we are different but in spirit we all have the same feelings.
I basically agree but men and women do look at things through different prisms. We have the same feelings, sure, but they are filtered through our personalities and minds differently, and some meaningful generalizations can be made based on sex.
No argument from me. There is a posse of angry freeper men out there who come out from time to time. Negative about relationships, they are down on relationships, romance, marriage. They get exactly what they expect - bad relationships. The brothel issue came up in a very limited context - we were talking about women's unwillingness to give oral sex to their mates. That's a commentary really on the idea, which I think is valid (and I don't think I'm an angry man at all), that there is a cultural consensus that woman's needs, desires, and whims somehow have an inherent greater value than men's needs, desires and whims. That's bogus - each side has to meet the other at least 1/2 way.
Shelf life isn't something I mentioned, sorry.
I read that you only claim to date much younger women...why is that? Don't think younger women aren't aware of your shelf life, whether they say so or not!
Truthfully I can't say I have cared much about what they consider my shelf life to be. I date younger women (though not ridiculously younger women) mostly because I enjoy their company much better. The ones I choose tend to have fresher outlooks and better vitality than their counterparts 10 and 15 years older than them. Also less baggage, which is very important to me, as I am uninterested in undue dealing with some crap another guy left in a woman's mind. Sorry, I won't do it - given the choice (and us men do have the choice), it's a lot easier and more fulfilling to deal with women with less emotional hangups, and as a general principle (though not 100% valid), younger women have fewer years on earth and therefore fewer years for rough emotional baggage to take hold.
Like I said, it's about expanded choices that women have gained in the last 30 years, but also about the expanded choices us men have. The truth is, I'd rather deal with a smart, good, tough, ballbusting woman of 25 rather than a good, smart, tough, ballbusting woman of 35 or 40. I really can't see how, all else being comparable, anybody in their right mind would choose otherwise.
I'm not suggesting turning back the clock at all. I am just noting that what happened is a real, and legitimate, consequence of women being more free (or more giving) with their sexuality.
Thanks and I am sorry I was not more clear. We are in agreement - clearly things have to be handled on both sides of the equation. If I didn't make it clear in that post, I think I covered that base in other related ones. But to be explicit, I agree with you 100%.
I think you are correct, and wise. ;-)
OMG hi!! *hugs to you*
How on Earth are you?? how long has it been???
"that you had to spend so much time earlier defending the definition of feminism should have been a tip-off that these guys would argue with a sign post!"
LOL in all fairness some people are aware of the difference, you cannot blame some guys though for not being aware of the subtleties of feminism. In the main the high profile lesbian proponents have perverted the original gender equality message into something grotesque
You should talk to more elders. Nothing has changed sexually,
only that hatred for men has gone mainstream and greed laws have come of age.
See (Family Court System) for further analysis..
Conservative values can be a way ahead to solve this problem many of these issues have been a result of liberal thinking and "advances"
You know, I like talking to old guys. Always have. After talking to enough and different types of old guys, you get a pretty good picture of the way things used to be...for instance, the degree to which prostitution was tolerated and even encouraged (within limits) in many parts of the country, particularly in the west, right up until the 1960s. The cost of a mistress in the 1930s, which was the norm for many, many well to do in new york and other cities.
It's my experience that many who pine for the "good old days" would be shocked, shocked and appalled that the good old days weren't quite as innocent as many believe.
I think this speaks for itself.
I don't know why you are so surprised we agree. ;-)
I have and they agree with this, i think that as you say sexually nothing has changed, but it is the scope and quantity that has changed things. More people having more sex with more people. This is an obvious and observable trend
Are we saying men would always have bedded a women before marriage in the past or for a one night stand? The only thing that has changed in the present is that women no longer stop men, and will have sex with them?
Isn't it more a result of men and women having this desire these days?
Old guys? Haha! Prostitution is alive and well in old manhattantown in 2005, friend!
Take a liesurely walk in the E 50s between 3rd and 1st Aves any evening. No, not streetwalkers, but genuine call girls milling about, getting a smoke, grabbing some pizza at O11's, running to Duane Reade on 3rd Ave to get condoms and lubricants (I'm not kidding). Literally 100s of apartments and 1000s of women of all flavors.
Gee, I'm sure some guys are keeping them in business.
Mistresses are still common among the well to do. Welcome to 2005. ;-)
PS - NYCers who work in midtown, back me up here!!!
I think there is a lot of bitterness as MaxMax says when injustices and unbalances exist in the divorce and legal system. He is justified to make those points IMO as a women. This does not help understanding between men and women on the issues of marriage. Men are emotive and not objective when discussing these issues as a result of the unfair treatment in court. AND I have to admit to the type of women that exploit those loopholes
That's almost exactly what I am saying, except I would temper it by saying 'fewer' women no longer stop men, rather than saying 'women no longer stop men.'
Prostitutes in NYC? I'm shocked and appalled! Appalled and shocked, I tell ya! Mistresses! No way! No in NYC!
LOL :-)That's a little cruel The men could post some retaliatory images I am sure :-)
OK we agree then :-)
...I didn't send it to be mean...but men have 5,000,000,000 of these images...yet they get TOTALLY bent when we have one...
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