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To: durasell

I'm not suggesting turning back the clock at all. I am just noting that what happened is a real, and legitimate, consequence of women being more free (or more giving) with their sexuality.


683 posted on 07/06/2005 12:30:08 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY

You know, I like talking to old guys. Always have. After talking to enough and different types of old guys, you get a pretty good picture of the way things used to be...for instance, the degree to which prostitution was tolerated and even encouraged (within limits) in many parts of the country, particularly in the west, right up until the 1960s. The cost of a mistress in the 1930s, which was the norm for many, many well to do in new york and other cities.

It's my experience that many who pine for the "good old days" would be shocked, shocked and appalled that the good old days weren't quite as innocent as many believe.


689 posted on 07/06/2005 12:37:57 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: HitmanNY
"I'm not suggesting turning back the clock at all. I am just noting that what happened is a real, and legitimate, consequence of women being more free (or more giving) with their sexuality."

Are we saying men would always have bedded a women before marriage in the past or for a one night stand? The only thing that has changed in the present is that women no longer stop men, and will have sex with them?

Isn't it more a result of men and women having this desire these days?

693 posted on 07/06/2005 12:42:23 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: HitmanNY; All
I have said this before, now, I will say it again. I believe that feminism started for LEGITIMATE reasons, back in the day. Reasons, such as(1) right to vote, (2) equal pay, ( I mean if two people are doing the SAME job, equally well, they SHOULD be paid the same, REGARDLESS of sex(now, a situation where things are "fixed", in which one person is merely a 'token" employee, and someone else, does that persons work for them BUT, the other person gets PAID for "just being there", TAHT is $hit.I have been in this situation before, where an Older man, who brown-nosed the boss, but was NOT qualified, got ALL of my work, and I was expected to do HIS work for him, or at least, help him, but HE got paid for the work I did. )

Anyhoo, fair pay, and Voting rights, along with REAL harassment issues, is where feminism grew from . HOWEVER, it is NOT about that anymore, or has it been for a LONG time. Now, it is merely about destroying the nuclear family, putting men into a worthless, demoralized place in society,expanding and protecting abortion, and furthering the gay agenda. (at least this is what the leaders, like NOW, are doing, Hence, my new name for them-- Femilezis"

However, not ALL the blame for marriages "going south', can be placed at women's feet. Sometimes, men do bring things on themselves, or drive a good woman away. I will give 3 situations, where the women are NOT to blame, and the men are "whores,losers, and abusers".

In the first instance, a man, around 53, is currently living with a woman, of similar age. This woman recently underwent a cancer operation, for pancreatic cancer(successful, so far). Now, is this man, being "faithful" with this woman, NO-- he is ONLY using this woman, as a "place to toss his bedroll", and FOR HER MEDICAL NSURANCE, and her money. he goes out of town, on a regular basis, to work, and meets women in bars, for one-nighters,on a regular basis. In the past, this man has been married 4 times, and in EACH case(as I am told, )cheated regularly, until the wives gave up.(rightfully so, NO ONE should be someone's doormat!!)

In another case, a man, whom I went to school with, is in his second marriage, and is a regular drug-user. His wife generally has to make any money, for the household, because this man CANNOT keep a job, because of this drug problem. Still the wife stays with his(I have been told, "only for the child's sake, they have an 8 year-old son between them)

In the third case, another guy i went to school with, recently underwent his SECOND divorce, because he BEAT UP his wife, and in this case, it WAS true, this guy has ALWAYS been disrespectful, and nasty toward women, and he was in jail for 6 months for this. Now, his wife was a drug-user, as is he, BUT still, I think most of it was HIS fault.


SO, it is NOT "all women's fault", sometimes it is the MAN'S fault. Sometimes it is BOTH spouses fault. More often, both spouses are too selfish, and concerned with "what is in it for me", and when something does not go their way, out the door.

I REALLY do hope this will change. But I think most people, men AND women, are just to selfish, and hard-headed, to want to "compromise", for the needs of another. For men, it is HT, Boats, sports cars, etc, for women, jewelry, clothes, etc, but NEITHER seem to be willing to give a little, so BOTH can be happy.

Oh, and one more thing:; BOTH men and women, should plan to be FAITHFUL, when they enter a marriage. Once you commit to another, that is IT, no more "side dishes", at least, that is the way it should be. It was that way for my parents, and it WILL be that way for me, if my time ever comes.

717 posted on 07/06/2005 1:03:13 AM PDT by Rca2000 (America, oh America, I MISS YOU!!!!!)
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