Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[No Surrender No Retreat]

I am quite well rounded in personal self responsiblity to include, being in a leadership position. If a life can be saved or an accident prevented, yes by all means.

Being Captain of a cruise ship, you can delegate duties of safety/accident prevention through your subordinates on your ship. Responsiblity cannot be delegated, but duties can. Some things like a determined suicide may not be prevented, but it would be a shame/disgrace not to try.

Somehow I think you may be unfamiliar with sound leadership principles as it applies to those in charge of a cruise ship.

Be nice and so will I, for I would rather have pleasant information transactions than unpleasant ones.

Sincerely, NSNR

[sarasota]

Wow. Something to tell my daughters tonight.

[monkeywrench]

"I found it interesting that Beth said she had her own "agenda" when she went to see Paulus"

Beth believes she was kidnapped. She really appears to believe the vdns know something about it.

[the Deejay]

No matter, an honest person
would tell the truth, (however
it appeared to anyone) and not
changed their story of events
and then involve their friends.

[onyx]

I'm a mother and grandmother too. I'm still going with Beth's instincts. She saw him in person.

[monkeywrench]

Nobody was sweating like the dad. The mom was perspiring, he had rivers flowing down his head and face.

[Yaelle]

I think Van Der Slug is more fitting. Slimy, lives under rocks, comes out at night, makes a mess of everything.

Good one!

[sodpoodle]

There are probably a million stories such as yours.

There but for the Grace of God goes Demkicker.

Very well written -it scared me to death too, with flashbacks.

sp

[No Surrender No Retreat]

That was a good one John. NSNR

[the Deejay]

oooohhhhhh yesssss.......
Shep is HOT! I like to
stand close to the tv
and look into those
gorgeous baby blues.

LOL! (I'm old enough to be his
mother.)

[spectre]

So no one is very concerned about this boat and her crew missing? No one?

sw

[bluepistolero]

I like old Shep because you just never know what is going to come out of his mouth next. Jane Skinner said to him that if she said one-half the things he says, she would be fired.

[Malichi]

I thought he got his journalism degree from Ole Miss. What part of the great state of Mississippi are you from?

[sarasota]

Yes, I find it more than a little curious. We're way ahead of the media curve...let's see if it picks up any steam.

[maggief]

At this point, with the investigation back at where they started, what would Beth be jeopardizing by telling the media some more of what she knows? Perhaps if she was to reveal a bit more, such as why she thinks Natalee was at the vdS home at 3:15am, it would put some pressure back on the vdS's.

[demkicker]

What I saw in that interview was a very typical reaction from a mom and dad whose son is in trouble. Mom gets very emotional and shows it; dad is equally emotional but tries hard to stay at least outwardly calm and rational. The very effort of trying to stay cool can make you sweat.

But you weren't there the first night to see how rude and arrogant PVDS was to the Twittys, while ordering his son to keep his mouth shut.

PVDS obviously has shown a Jeckyl/Hyde persona to Beth Twitty. While everyone was hot that day, she said his sweating and mannerisms were remarkable.

You might want to check kcvl's posts (#3333, #3334, #3336 & #3338)regarding the sweating. BTW, kcvl, is a close friend of Natalee's aunt.

[Yaelle]

So maybe Natalee did ask to go see the sharks?? (As in the email purported to be from Deepak.) Or maybe she never ASKED to see them but was nevertheless made to make their acquaintance, G-d forbid???

[sarasota]

That's what I'm wondering. Unless the FBI has told her to keep mum on specifics.

[maggief]

I agree with the DJ that JvdS may be too stupid to hide a body on his own, if he hid her he had help.

[bluepistolero]

Yes, I was thinking, go to the adjacent islands and see if there are any boats there from Aruba. Then check the bars, brothels, etcetera, and see if any of the local low-lifes, the usual suspects, had suddenly come into some money.