Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[the Deejay]

What does IIRC mean?

[maggief]

It's interesting to look at this case from all points of view. Since so few facts are known, I try not to zero in on any particular theory.

On Fox and Friends this morning I think it was Brian who asked Beth to give us a new clue to rejuvenate the media. She didn't respond, but I'm hopeful she'll start to reveal what she knows. Otherwise this will quickly reach a dead end, IMHO.

[the Deejay]

Easier for me to proofread.
(bad vision.)

[spectre]

Oh..DJ, I never meant to imply that our Shep would EVER leave a girl stranded. Sorry. Like you said, he strikes me as being quite the gentleman and honorable as well.

sw

[Malichi]

Shepard was graduated from the University of Mississippi in Oxford, MS. Ole Miss for all of us old alums. A thousand pardons for going off thread there but I am so frustrated with all the crap going down in Aruba I can't see straight.

The Trolls don't understand that it helps all of us who feel deep EMPATHY for the Holloways and Twittys to blow off steam by discussing this case in depth.
TAW

[auboy]

If I Remember Correctly.

[monkeywrench]

See reply #3489. I found some comments about what buz posted at Riehl world. http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_51.html

[sarasota]

Perhaps Greta could tell you what Paulus did all day Monday. You can send her an email at from her web site at gretawire.com.

[spectre]

That's a good point. I recall reading about some girls who saw or heard a girl being dragged off the beach. Can't find it..darn.

sw

[gingersnaps]

There are some people who have the qualifications as to kinesis and conducting criminal investigations, to be possibly very accurate in their speculations/comments.

Perhaps. But are any of those very qualified experts the ones who're posting their speculations here on FR? For some reason I'm skeptical of that.

(I've even seen a few "experts" on Fox News go off the deep end speculating, when they really have no facts to go on.)

If any of the posters here are Aruban investigators who have been questioning all the suspects and have personal knowledge of all the known facts of this case, then they've got something real to work with. Again, somehow I'm skeptical that it's those people who are posting on FR

Btw, I wonder what I've said that conjures up a werewolf image. LOL!

[bluepistolero]

I think Van Der Slug is more fitting

how about Van Der Slut

[onyx]

Shep didn't graduate, or at least that was what an article here so stated last week. He's a Hottie Tottie in my book regardless.

[gingersnaps]

I'm going with the instincts of Natalee's mother. She thinks the elder VDS knows more than he's told.

I have great respect for Natalee's mother, and I hope I would be able to handle myself with as much energy and composure and grace as she has, were I in that awful situation.

However, Natalee's mom is under huge stress. Hardly in a situation to make rational judgments about things.

I'm a mom too and have also been in terrifying situations involving my children (including a life-threatening one); and looking back, I can see that I was very wrong about some things I was very certain about back then.

[the Deejay]

wheeeeewwwww~~~~
Thank you for that.

[sarasota]

I found it interesting that Beth said she had her own "agenda" when she went to see Paulus. She has been very vague about details from their meeting other than his sweat.

[demkicker]

I can't get this "left her alone on the beach" out of my mind. Shepard Smith even said that, when he was in college, it was commonplace for guys to leave girls who'd had too much to drink. Am I naive or is this, in fact, commonplace? [shudder]

It happened to me many moons ago when I was a high school graduate going to summer school at the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. We went out on a catamaran cruise 'mixer'. I met an older guy from New York and after the cruise a group of us went and had pizza, then he and I took a stroll on the beach. He got fresh with me and I didn't comply. He got p*ssed and left me there, and it was 1:00 a.m. in the morning! It taught me a huge lesson and scared me to death, but fortunately I found my friends and got back to the dorm alright.

[sodpoodle]

You asked: "Then why did he first say he and the Kalpoe brothers dropped her at the HI?"
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Perhaps he was embarrassed that he left her alone, on the beach.

When it was clear that she had met with foul play, he and the two Kalpoes should have come clean. Instead, they kept lying, which is why all their motives are suspicious.

This is an Agatha Christie novel - except that Natalee is a daughter, a sister and a young woman who is still missing. Nothing else matters.

sp

[the Deejay]

And then there was a man,
that heard a girl screaming
in distress, on the beach.


The man went to
a hotel security guard to
report it.....the guard blew
the man off.....the man didn't
press the issue.....went on
about his business.....

If this is so, why didn't the
man go and investigate the
girl on the beach himself?

Too many rumors.

[Yaelle]

Hmm, another DJ coming out and saying that Joran's a great guy (but too stupid to hide this girl). We know what happened to the last DJ who vouched for Joran.

[gingersnaps]

PS Not flaming you, just stating what I saw. :)

OK, thanks, I know you weren't flaming.

The mom was both sweating and crying at the same time. That's what I saw anyway. I think I'd be both sweating and crying if I were the mom too.