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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Dante3

I'm beginning to wonder how they convict anybody!


2,221 posted on 06/26/2005 8:04:12 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: demkicker
Did you ping all of those people over to this thread to disrupt it and talk about golf swings, or do you want to join in on the discussion about Natalee Holloway?

Oh please, lighten up.

I was not expecting any of them to reply and disturb your speculations and ruminations on Natalee. I just wanted the golf fans I know to have a nice laugh on Sunday morning.

Get over it.

2,222 posted on 06/26/2005 8:07:13 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))
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To: TexKat

Blonde judge,,hair alot like Nat's mom and Nat's aunt.


2,223 posted on 06/26/2005 8:09:13 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Howlin

well, holding them for up to 6 months and interrogating constantly in terrible conditions,,they might get confessions.


2,224 posted on 06/26/2005 8:10:32 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: All
Official: Dad Detained to Pressure Son - Fox News 6/26/05

Judge to rule on Aruba detentions - CNN 6/26/05

In Aruba mystery, more questions than answers - MSNBC 6/26/05

2,225 posted on 06/26/2005 8:12:32 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I was just searching for that site:

From SM:

Sure looks like to me she did not even intend to go with Joren. And there was a link yesterday to an article on the Dark Side about the practice called carving out where males surround the female victim to separate her from her group which it seems is sadly a common practice in the region. Block her from their view and they from hers and just sort of jostle her along to the waiting car or whatever.


2,226 posted on 06/26/2005 8:12:49 AM PDT by maggief
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To: TexKat

Great article...I must be getting old 'cause none of that sounds "fun" to me.


2,227 posted on 06/26/2005 8:14:47 AM PDT by BamaBlue
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To: All

Volunteer member of Texas EquuSearch, Darryl Philips of Houston, TX, puts a yellow flag into the ground during a search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway who disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean Island, May 30, in Aruba, Saturday, June 25, 2005. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

Texans search for missing teen Update

ORANJESTAD Aruba -- Volunteer rescuers from Texas led a sniffer dog over large swaths of land and scanned the ocean bottom with sonar Saturday in the latest search for U.S. teen-ager Natalee Holloway who disappeared almost a month ago.

Tim Miller director of Texas EquuSearch based in Dickenson said searchers focused on five or six areas of interest on land but declined to give details or say where they were looking in the sea.

EquuSearch's 24 volunteers including eight rescue divers arrived late Friday at the request of Paul Reynolds of Houston Holloway's uncle They brought four specialized dogs as well as the sonar equipment which technicians tested on a dock near the Holiday Inn where Holloway stayed.

Ralph Baird a petroleum engineer from Houston helping in the search said a probe with sonar sensors will be pulled at various depths to create a picture of the sea floor.

Baird said that will help divers eliminate areas without objects that look like bodies.

It's sad but we know we are not going out there to find someone alive he said Miller said that the search could cost up to $100,000 and that his group has raised about $25,000 No matter what happens we can't leave without Natalee he said.

Also on Saturday the lawyer for one of two Surinamese brothers being held in connection with her disappearance confirmed that his client admitted lying to police.

Satish Kalpoe had told investigators that he brother Deepak Kalpoe 21 and a Dutch friend dropped Holloway off alone at her hotel Satish Kalpoe now says he and his brother dropped off Holloway and 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot together at a Marriott hotel and then went home.

He lied initially to help his friends but said at a certain moment I can't help you anymore Satish Kalpoe's lawyer David Kock told The Associated Press without elaborating.

Joran's mother Anita van der Sloot 49 told AP last week that her son too had changed his story acknowledging that he and Holloway were alone together at a beach near the Marriott But she said her son insists that he left Holloway there and did not hurt her.

2,228 posted on 06/26/2005 8:21:59 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

good article.


2,229 posted on 06/26/2005 8:24:11 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: demkicker

Did you ping all of those people over to this thread to disrupt it and talk about golf swings
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Maybe "beyond the sea" is still in the "TERRIBLE TWOs" stage of life. He needs a good spanking or a "Time Out"


2,230 posted on 06/26/2005 8:30:27 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: TexKat

I'm still not buying the "brought in to pressure son" thing; I think he's involved.

Even the librarian looking girl said they had to have cause or he would have been released.


2,231 posted on 06/26/2005 8:34:01 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: maggiefluffs

"an article on the Dark Side about the practice called carving out where males surround the female victim to separate her from her group which it seems is sadly a common practice in the region. Block her from their view and they from hers and just sort of jostle her along to the waiting car or whatever."


How sickening, sounds like something right out of the book Lord of The Flies. Primitive animals


2,232 posted on 06/26/2005 8:39:22 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Howlin
Even the librarian looking girl

Mariaine Croes, Prosecutor Spokesperson.

2,233 posted on 06/26/2005 8:41:23 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
From SM:

fox reporter just said that one of the brother's emailed steve croes that night

2,234 posted on 06/26/2005 8:42:50 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

I have not ben impressed with any of Natalee's friends.
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I believe it was noted earlier that Beth Twitty and Natalee's family asked those friend who went to Aruba to not talk to anyone about the incident, as it could jeopardize the investigation. It seems that her friends are abiding by that. What you think?

Even Bill O'Reilly said he had a very difficult time finding anyone to come on his program and/or talk about Natalee.


2,235 posted on 06/26/2005 8:45:24 AM PDT by Gracey
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To: maggiefluffs; brigette

Since Deepak is so meticulous of his car if it is ever returned to him and if he ever gets to see it again, he is will crap his pants.


2,236 posted on 06/26/2005 8:46:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
But, I recall that Greta said the other day, when she and Beth met with the VDSs, that Daddy VDS told her he was a judge. Why would he say that if he just flunked his exam?

I heard that too on Greta. Another lie from the VDS clan, apparently.

2,237 posted on 06/26/2005 8:49:40 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell

PDVS told Greta that he is/was a sit-in judge. You can find that up the thread a few hundred posts back.


2,238 posted on 06/26/2005 8:53:47 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Is law enforcement able to retrieve Instant Messages?


2,239 posted on 06/26/2005 8:56:14 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
From SM:

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:35 am

Post subject: scuffles

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Holloway’s friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos’N Charlies’, and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot , a tall, broad-shouldered athlete , got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar.

“I broke it up,” said Bryan Reynolds, 18. “It was outside the Carlos’N Charlies’ the second night we were there.”

Reynolds didn’t elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren’t publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway’s family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.

Dallas Also wrote:

LouLou wrote:

...4. Also Earlier articles, however, state that Joran was talking to her at C'nCs the 2nd night the group was there, and that's what caused the "scuffle". Seeing that her classmates did not approve of her new love interest, the romance might have been on the down low from that point...with people who observed her on the last night only presuming that she was meeting him for the first time.

The "scuffle" was a shouting match between Joran and Thomas Twitty. Yes, Twitty. Thomas Twitty is Natalee's step-cousin!!!

So actually, she had family that didn't approve of him right off the bat. The shouting match happened on 6-29-05 s/b 5/29, which is the same day she went to C'nCs and then went missing.

Dallas how did you find out it was one of her cousins? I appreciate you posting the info bc I had wondered who the scuffle was between. Its very interesting that it was a family member. That being said, I wonder what they didnt like about Joran? I also wonder what they told her mother about him. Very interesting.

2,240 posted on 06/26/2005 8:57:21 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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