Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: TexKat

"Not so, According to Edward Kissel, Birmingham student that was on O'Reilly, Joran was in the company of Natalee and her friends at various locations for a couple of days prior to 5/29."

I knew I remembered hearing that. Someone said joran had been hanging around her for a couple of days.

1,881 posted on 06/25/2005 5:36:12 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: brigette

I've only lurked thus far, but how about the following:

The mother is out of town and the dad apparently likes to "party" at the casino's.

Maybe the boys take Natalee to Joran's house, things get out of control.

Then, dad gets home and helps to "clean things up".

1,883 posted on 06/25/2005 5:37:12 PM PDT by demsux

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To: presently no screen name

Thanks for clearing that up for me anyway. I thought it was Satish, almost 19 went to school w/17/18 year old Joran. And Deepak (21) has a full-time job.

Don't take that to the bank presently no screen name, yall, because I thought that somewhere along the line that changed. But I have spent unsuccessfully an hour + trying to find confirmation that it was Satish that attended school with Joran.

1,884 posted on 06/25/2005 5:38:05 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

Joining us live from Birmingham, Alabama, are two of Natalee's best friends, Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay. They were both on the trip with Natalee.

Frances Ellen, when you were in Aruba, did you ever feel unsafe?

FRANCES ELLEN BYRD, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FRIEND: I wouldn't say that. Not really.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you go to Carlos and Charlie's (search), Frances Ellen?

BYRD: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think of it?

BYRD: It was just a place for us to go at night and all be together. Since the sun was down and we weren't on the beach anymore, we just went there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ruth, you were present when Natalee met Joran van der Sloot (search), is that right?

RUTH MCVAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FRIEND: That's right.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you?

MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And when you say the fist night, was that the night of May 29 into the 30th, when she missed her flight home?

MCVAY: Yes, ma'am.

VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?

MCVAY: He didn't. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn't flirting. He wasn't really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html

1,885 posted on 06/25/2005 5:38:57 PM PDT by maggief

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To: jacquej

There is probably a ferry to the mainland... could a body have been put in the trunk of a car and shipped off that way? Who would know the ferry/cargo ship times, and why hasn't that been considered?

Hi, just got back - a busy life has a way of interfering with posting on Free Republic, LOL. Can't be here all the time, too much to do and enjoy.

But, I don't know if anyone responded to you or not. If so, sorry for the repeat reply. Your idea is a good thought. But I have taken several ferries with vehicles and have always had to have the car completely empty. Now the ferries have been long term ones, and I don't know about short jonts. Nor if there is any one from Aruba to anywhere. Maybe. Maybe Venezuela? Just don't know. Just my experience that on the ferries we used we had to have the car completely empty. Trunk, glove compartment, everywhere.

If, however that is possible - good hiding place! I suspect you thought of those dear little boys in New Jersey. That is really tough - 3 boys, 3 families now traumatized. So sad.

1,886 posted on 06/25/2005 5:42:56 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

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To: Lizarde

freep mail this to me since this not what I am working on right now.

1,887 posted on 06/25/2005 5:45:04 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

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To: demsux

Maybe pops was out gambling all night and that would explain the trips to the ATM..It would also explain the inconsistencies in his story if he didn't want his wife to find out..I also wondered before if they took NH to VD'S house because that is where he would have the web cam..Pops is out all night and the kids have the place to themselves

1,888 posted on 06/25/2005 5:46:49 PM PDT by vigilante2

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To: brigette

Kewl graphics!

" They arrive at about 12:10 am - They hang around Joran's house for about 15 minute before leaving for Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:25 am. Joran sneaks out off the VDS property. ...

They all 3 arrive at Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:30 am. "

A couple things stand out in this time frame. It took 15 minute for JvdS to sneak out?

A five minute commute from vdS's to Cn'C?

1,889 posted on 06/25/2005 5:47:50 PM PDT by maggief

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To: maggiefluffs

Do you have the transcript of Edward Kissel and Alana Jordan (Dash) from the Bill O'Reilly show Where Edward states that Natalee and Joran was dancing and that he had seen Joran with Natalee and her friends several times that week. When O'Reilly asked Edward did he see Natalee get in the car with Joran, Edward replied no, but he did see them leave out of C&C together.

O'Reilly then asked Edward if he had a problem with Natalee leaving with Joran, Edward replied no because he himself had caught a ride with one of the bartenders, that he (Edward) was fluent in spanish.

1,890 posted on 06/25/2005 5:48:31 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: CitizenM

You are right. The car trunk notion popped into my head for two reasons. The little kids in NY, and my youthful days spent on a well-known island off Cape Cod that uses a car ferry to haul both cars, trucks, and people back aand forth.

I tried to put my head around an accidental death, and where to hide the body, and the car ferry seemed the most logical. Get the body off-island, and then drive anywhere to bury it.

1,891 posted on 06/25/2005 5:50:40 PM PDT by jacquej

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To: Lizarde; TexKat; All

Sorry... I am not going to add all that Lizarde...
it clearly says at the top of the timeline...

This information is from several sources that are all unconfirmed. Everything is unconfirmed until the Police in Aruba start telling us or the media what is true and what is not true.

If you all want me to do this then you have to be brief and to the point, this is not something I want to spend days on creating.

Now hold on (don't get offended)... my next post will show you an update of it. (TexKat I updated it with the info you gave me)

1,892 posted on 06/25/2005 5:54:58 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

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To: maggiefluffs

McVay and Kissel do not have their stories straight. No wonder Dash was looking at Kissel strange. Which one is not telling the truth. Why would Kissel lie. Remember Kissel said that other students said that they thought that Joran was a nice guy.

1,893 posted on 06/25/2005 5:55:33 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Neenah

somewhere.......................

bts)

We'll meet beyond the shore

We'll kiss just as before

Happy we'll be beyond the sea

And never again I'll go sailin'

1,894 posted on 06/25/2005 5:55:34 PM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))

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To: brigette

1:10 to 1:15 am - As the car is pulling away from the bar area - Natalee yells out the window "Aruba - Aruba" (her friends verify this) and some yelled for her to get out of the car. Deepak says he stopped the car to let her out, but that she said she would just catch a ride from them back to her hotel (unconfirmed).

To my knowledge, none of Natalee's friends or classmates have verified they witnessed Natalee yelling out the window or Deepak stopping to supposedly ask Natalee if she wanted out of the car. Personally, I think that's part of their memorized cover-up. Otherwise, we should have all heard from the kids who witnessed the drive-off. This is one of those little rehearsed details they used to convince everyone that Natalee WANTED to go with them.

I know this is pure speculation, but chances are that Natalee & Joran walked out and hung out in the parking lot around Depak's car as everyone was leaving. He convinced her that they'd drive her over to the HI since the taxi's had departed. During that time, he slipped a 'mickey' in her drink. They probably drove off with Natalee completely unconscious. Just my speculative 2 cents...

1,895 posted on 06/25/2005 5:56:25 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: maggiefluffs

"O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?"

"KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days. "

"O'REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn't set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?"

O'Reilly

1,896 posted on 06/25/2005 5:56:54 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: TexKat

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159764,00.html

1,897 posted on 06/25/2005 5:57:26 PM PDT by maggief

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To: demkicker

Well I heard she did say this... This is why I really do not want to do this timeline as too many things have been put out there now.

1,898 posted on 06/25/2005 5:59:02 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

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To: TexKat

Kissel said joren had been hanging around with Natalee and "her closer friends". I don't think any of the kids that have given interviews have been among her "closer friends". Remember, they all broke up into groups.

1,899 posted on 06/25/2005 5:59:13 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: vigilante2

so they slip something into her drink before they leave the bar..They drive around until she falls asleep then take her to the VD house..this way she doesn't know where she is..J wakes up at 6 am but Nat doesn't..J then calls Crows for help..this is where the father come into the picture

1,900 posted on 06/25/2005 5:59:57 PM PDT by vigilante2

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