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Majority of Americans Favour Iraq Troop Withdrawal
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Posted on 06/14/2005 1:37:41 PM PDT by phoenix_004

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To: phoenix_004
We will pull out when we kill the SOB's who did this, or when the Iraqis are strong enough to finish them off.

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21 posted on 06/14/2005 1:48:46 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: phoenix_004

I think it's lame that the administration gets away with having no time tables, no estimates, no assumptions. Just cutesy "however long it takes" rhetoric, and a total lack of information to the American public. I voted for these guys, but that's not saying much when you consider the alternative. I mean, fine, resolve is great. Staying the course is great. But are you trying to tell me no one in the gubmint has a friggin clue about how long it will take to squash the insurgency or train Iraqis to take over for themselves?


22 posted on 06/14/2005 1:49:01 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: phoenix_004
The poll information is really interesting when you break down the party affiliate of those being polled. I saw a similar poll last week (don't remember who's) that provided the breakdown. ie. 41% Republican and 59% Democrats. The poll showed that over 55% said we should beet feet!! Can you imagine that?
23 posted on 06/14/2005 1:49:33 PM PDT by River_Wrangler (You can't be lost if you don't care where you're at !)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Let W drive the bus, and if you don't like where it is going, change drivers. You get a chance to do this every four years

It's not so simple when the only other driver is a traitorous socialist. I mean, c'mon, even you must admit that if you support America, but thought this president has done a bad job, you had NO choice but to vote for him anyway.

24 posted on 06/14/2005 1:50:17 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: phoenix_004

Leaving too soon is just going to leave a mess. Islamofascism left over by not taking care of the Muslim Brotherhood after WWII is what is causing all of our problems in the Middle East. Failure to mop up after war is just like a sticky spot on your kitchen floor. If you leave one small spot unmopped it will eventually spread all over your house.


25 posted on 06/14/2005 1:51:30 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.And we're unlikely to get a look into this t)
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To: phoenix_004
I can fashion a poll, change a word or phrase here and there and get any result I damn well please. Polls are an imperfect way of gauging public opinion, since they can be skewed in so many ways to obtain the desired result.

Just from the people I talk to and meet everyday in my business and personal life, those who have an opinion on the subject overwhelmingly SUPPORT the war and the troops in Iraq.
26 posted on 06/14/2005 1:51:59 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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"We’re training Iraqi forces so they can take the fight to the enemy, so they can defend their country."

The enemy is at their gates. Iraqi forces need to shape up. We don't take two years to train our own recruits to fight. It's their country to defend. Do it.

27 posted on 06/14/2005 1:52:26 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose.)
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To: phoenix_004

The USA has not decided that it's enemy is Islam, and it is.
Islam long ago declared war on all who are not Muslim, and required that infidels be killed where ever they are found. Since the USA has not recognized it's enemy, it might as well give up the war. No American should have to die, because the USA is not willing to even name it's enemy. I would not fight under these conditions, and I would not ask for anyone to fight an unnamed enemy.


28 posted on 06/14/2005 1:52:46 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: phoenix_004

Shows the administration needs to do more PR work.


29 posted on 06/14/2005 1:55:32 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: phoenix_004

I would like to know who these people are. America knows what happened the last time we pulled out of a war and left the job undone.


30 posted on 06/14/2005 1:55:40 PM PDT by speed_addiction ( Somethings gnaw on a man worse'n dyin'!)
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To: Huck
But are you trying to tell me no one in the gubmint has a friggin clue about how long it will take to squash the insurgency or train Iraqis to take over for themselves?

Let's assume for the sake of argument that they don't have any idea how long this whole thing will take. Does it follow that we should not do it at all?

31 posted on 06/14/2005 1:57:01 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: Huck

Attention enemies: We will be leaving the area on October 16, 2005. Smart thinking, Huck. The lack of information to the American public is also a lack of information to the terrorists.


32 posted on 06/14/2005 1:58:59 PM PDT by bukkdems ("My aunt was very frugal" - Benon Savon)
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To: Huck
I think it's lame that the administration gets away with having no time tables, no estimates, no assumptions. Just cutesy "however long it takes" rhetoric, and a total lack of information to the American public.

You can't be this clueless. You actually think that we should make our war plans public?

33 posted on 06/14/2005 1:59:11 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: nosofar
Let's assume for the sake of argument that they don't have any idea how long this whole thing will take. Does it follow that we should not do it at all?

That's not even an option. We're there. I just think when Cheney or Bush brush off the question of exit strategy, they are BS-ing. Their answer is tactical. It's designed to deflect the real question. Of course we don't want to leave without "finishing the job." But let's put some specifics on what "finishing the job" means. Measurements. Why is it, measurements are all-important to this admin's Kennedy Education plan, but when it comes to the war, it's "as long as it takes" and that's all they say? It makes no sense, other than they just don't want to talk about it. Too bad we don't have two CREDIBLE parties in this country, or GWB might have been taken to task.

34 posted on 06/14/2005 1:59:54 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: phoenix_004

1. Who the $#@!! is Angus Reid Consultants and who paid for this survey??

2. It ain't over til its over and it ain't over as long as the Ayatollahs are ruling in Iran, the Baathists have a sanctuary in Syria and the Wahhabists are still running Saudi Arabia. As a matter of fact, it isn't over as long as that lunatic is still in power in North Korea.

If we pull out before a successfull revolution in Iran, and before eliminating the Baathists in Syria and before removing Wahhabist control in Saudi Arabia, what was accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan will be all for nothing as the lunatics from those countries will just return to their old haunts, oust the present governments, re-establish themselves there and create a new terrorist infrastructure from which to threaten the U.S.


35 posted on 06/14/2005 2:00:49 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: bukkdems

Straw man. I didn't say set a date. But how about some specific measures? How is success defined? Do you even know? It's your country.


36 posted on 06/14/2005 2:01:06 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

War plans? No. War goals? Yes. And they should be specific and measurable, and we should be regularly updated on the progress by the president himself.


37 posted on 06/14/2005 2:01:47 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: tessalu; ex-snook
The enemy is at their gates. Iraqi forces need to shape up. We don't take two years to train our own recruits to fight. It's their country to defend. Do it.


No American should have to die, because the USA is not willing to even name it's enemy. I would not fight under these conditions, and I would not ask for anyone to fight an unnamed enemy.

I like the way ya'll think. More people should open their eyes to what our government is doing/is not doing, to secure THIS Country. I agreed with the War in Iraq, but this Country, the Country of those Soldiers, is already being invaded, already it is proven to have sleeper cells.

We may have need of our Trained Soldiers, more need and will to fight than Iraqis who will turn on us as soon as it is convenient.
38 posted on 06/14/2005 2:02:14 PM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: ZULU
If we pull out before a successfull revolution in Iran, and before eliminating the Baathists in Syria and before removing Wahhabist control in Saudi Arabia

Setting aside the fact that that had nothing to do with the stated reasons for going to war with Iraq.

39 posted on 06/14/2005 2:03:28 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: phoenix_004
The MSM feed the American public a steady diet of cr*p on the Iraq War. Then, they conduct polls to find out what the people think, based on that bad information. Then they write articles reporting as a fact the opinions constructed of that ignorance.

And the beat goes on. Does the phrase coprophage ring a bell? It should.

Thank God the Bush Administration is run by adults who try to get the law and the facts correct, and then act on that basis. Furthermore, they take the approach of "Damn the torpedoes (the press). Full speed ahead." And they are right.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Gitmo In, GitmoOut?"

40 posted on 06/14/2005 2:03:56 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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